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Well that's a far more humane way of firing those darn things.

I wonder how they cocked the springs???

It takes the weight of more than one person to #### those things. They also hurt like hell to launch.
 
bearhunter said:
Well that's a far more humane way of firing those darn things. ...

They also hurt like hell to launch.
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Depended entirely on the situation. I don't ever remember reading any comments by soldiers who had used them in action about how painful they were to launch. Instead, the comments were almost entirely focussed on how that particular soldier felt when his PIAT either hit or missed its intended target. I think it's maybe an infantry thing, you know... they get hung up on the little details, like the size of the tank or half-track that's lumbering towards them or the enormous gape of the muzzle of the cannon it's swinging towards them, and they completely forget about the truly important things - like how much it's going to hurt their shoulder when they fire that PIAT.
 
screwtape said:
Depended entirely on the situation. I don't ever remember reading any comments by soldiers who had used them in action about how painful they were to launch. Instead, the comments were almost entirely focussed on how that particular soldier felt when his PIAT either hit or missed its intended target. I think it's maybe an infantry thing, you know... they get hung up on the little details, like the size of the tank or half-track that's lumbering towards them or the enormous gape of the muzzle of the cannon it's swinging towards them, and they completely forget about the truly important things - like how much it's going to hurt their shoulder when they fire that PIAT.
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I've used a Piat under stressful conditions and I can tell you from personal experience, they HURT to launch. Do it twice in a row and it really hurts, do it more often and risk some serious permanent damage to your shoulder.

They would work on the back end of a tank or reasonably well on a light armored vehicle. Worked well on mud and stone walls to.

I fully understand how effective they were and how most using them were OK with their capabilities but I wonder how they cocked those weapons on the back of that carrier??? It looks like they had to remove them and do it one at a time.

A barrage delivered by 7-14 of those at one time, would definitely be a game changer.
 
Dark Alley Dan said:
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Quite the artificial reef.

The Murmansk, ex Soviet Navy, now a homely adjunct to the shoreline in Norway. I assume the Norwegians have asked Vlad to come by and get his stuff, but so far, nothing...
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I can't believe Ivan didn't even strip the guns and radar equipment from this thing....
 
Cdn303 said:
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Can-UC with PIATbattery-1944.
Improvised by the Canadians in 1944, this consisted of 14 PIAT projectors mounted on a frame at the rear of the carrier in two series of seven. Each row could be fired simultaneously by means of a mechanical contrivance of steel rods attached to the firing triggers. A few vehicles so fitted were used in Europe in 1944-45.
The PIAT Battary in question was part of 16 Field Park Comapny, Royal Canadian Engineers, in Zutphen, Netherlands, 1944. Yes, they were used in action, to good effect. They were mounted on brackets on the rear of the carriers in two rows of seven, with a crowbar tack welded to the triggers of the PIAT, to provide a uniform firing mechanism.
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RCE Ingenuity!
 
Cdn303 said:
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Can-UC with PIATbattery-1944.
Improvised by the Canadians in 1944, this consisted of 14 PIAT projectors mounted on a frame at the rear of the carrier in two series of seven. Each row could be fired simultaneously by means of a mechanical contrivance of steel rods attached to the firing triggers. A few vehicles so fitted were used in Europe in 1944-45.
The PIAT Battary in question was part of 16 Field Park Comapny, Royal Canadian Engineers, in Zutphen, Netherlands, 1944. Yes, they were used in action, to good effect. They were mounted on brackets on the rear of the carriers in two rows of seven, with a crowbar tack welded to the triggers of the PIAT, to provide a uniform firing mechanism.
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Interesting. Sort of like a Hedgehog for anti-tank purposes? PIAT is sure to work on the top armour.
 
RRCo. said:
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Can-UC with PIATbattery-1944.
Improvised by the Canadians in 1944, this consisted of 14 PIAT projectors mounted on a frame at the rear of the carrier in two series of seven. Each row could be fired simultaneously by means of a mechanical contrivance of steel rods attached to the firing triggers. A few vehicles so fitted were used in Europe in 1944-45.
The PIAT Battary in question was part of 16 Field Park Comapny, Royal Canadian Engineers, in Zutphen, Netherlands, 1944. Yes, they were used in action, to good effect. They were mounted on brackets on the rear of the carriers in two rows of seven, with a crowbar tack welded to the triggers of the PIAT, to provide a uniform firing mechanism.
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Interesting. Sort of like a Hedgehog for anti-tank purposes? PIAT is sure to work on the top armour.
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And if it all misses, your vehicle is already pointed in the direction you're going to want to go in a hurry...
 
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bearhunter said:
Originally Posted by collector67
I can't believe Ivan didn't even strip the guns and radar equipment from this thing....
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More than likely, the Norwegians wouldn't let them
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That was probably all stripped off the hulk long before it sank there. The Murmansk was decommissioned in 1989 and sold for scrap but wrecked in those shallows there in 1994 while being towed to the breakers.
 
screwtape said:
That was probably all stripped off the hulk long before it sank there. The Murmansk was decommissioned in 1989 and sold for scrap but wrecked in those shallows there in 1994 while being towed to the breakers.
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It was being towed to India to be turned into rebar.

At this point, they are constructing a dry dock around her and are going to float her out further from shore and resink her as a reef.

There was a big problem with who was responsible for the wreck and its removal.

They are asking for donations for the project.
 
screwtape said:
When you stop and think about it - or look at pictures like that - people really do some incredible feats of engineering rather casually nowadays, don't they?
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True. We still haven't matched the Giza pyramids though.

So they even have a settling pond so no dirty water gets in the ocean. LOL. A few million shipwrecks in the oceans and you'd need a laboratory to find any trace of their presence, but heck, why let common sense get in the way of a good business?

Is it going to be a yacht harbour when they're done, or are they going to dredge it all out again?
 
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