BX-25 made by ruger
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The thread is about the BX-25. The BX-25 in the Charger is limited to 10, isn't it?
Yes I did read the thread. It was about the BX-25, then confused it by throwing in what you can you use in the Charger ffs.
The bx25 is limited to 10rds because it's designed for rifles & handguns. So in the charger or the rifle, it's limited to 10rds.
Other magazines, like the BC 25rounders, have no limit due to being designed for 10/22 rifles. So in the charger, or the rifle - it has no limit.
Best post EVER.......Sorry, i just could,nt help myself. LOL
For the sake of anyone getting confused by your posts; The BX-25 is NOT limited to 10 rounds, it is PROHIBITED.
Nobody is confused except you... it is the magazine which is regulated by which weapon it is designed for (pistol or rifle)... if it is designated as a "pistol" mag, then it is restricted to "pistol" capacities, no matter what gun you actually use it in. If the magazine is designated as a "rifle" mag, then it is restricted to rifle capacities (in this case rimfire limits), so the legal Butler Creek and/or Tactical Innovations (etc...) 25 round mags, which are designated as "rifle" mags can be used in rifles OR pistols (at full capacity and do NOT require pinning)... until this thread, this was news to me (it makes about as much sense as the rest of the firearms regulations)... BUT this is why I am far more interested in the Charger Pistol.
Last year I even tried emailing the powers that be about this.....
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To: cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Hello,
My name is ###x. My inquiry is with the Ruger BX-25 magazine ( http://shopruger.com/10_22-BX-25-MAGAZINE/productinfo/90361/ ) and its ability to be purchased in Canada. I own a Ruger 10/22 rifle which comes with a 10 round magazine. When I saw online that they have a factory 25 round magazine for purchase, I went to the website: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/index-eng.htm and read the following.
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Q7. What is the maximum number of cartridges that a firearm magazine can legally hold?
A7. As set out in Criminal Code Regulations, some large-capacity magazines are prohibited regardless of the class of firearm to which the magazines are attached. As a general rule, the maximum magazine capacity is:
5 cartridges for most magazines designed for a semi-automatic centre-fire long gun; or
10 cartridges for most handgun magazines
A large-capacity magazine is not prohibited if it has been permanently altered so that it cannot hold more than the number of cartridges allowed by law. Acceptable ways to alter a magazine are set out in the regulations.
There is no limit to the magazine capacity for semi-automatic rim-fire long guns, or for other long guns that are not semi-automatics.
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So it's not against the law for me to have one, great! I then go to a store and find that they do not carry the Ruger magazine, but only these Butler Creek ones.
http://www.cabelas.ca/index.cfm?pageID=71§ion=1281§ion2=1468&ID=9883
As per the website reviews section they are of an inferior quality compared to the Ruger BX-25 magazines so I am not interested. I then decide to contact Ruger who inform me of the following:
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Ruger Customer Support <NoReply@ruger.com> wrote:
Thank you for your inquiry. According to a bulletin from the RCMP dated March 23, 2011, magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges. Since the Ruger Charger pistols use the same magazines as the Ruger 10-22 rifles, the Ruger magazines are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges. This may change in the future if the RCMP decides to modify its ruling.
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Well I decide to look at this Ruger Charger pistol ( http://www.ruger.com/products/22Charger/models.html ) and find that it is a 10/22 rifle action with a shorter barrel and stock. I also read the RCMP bulletin here: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both rimfire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.
Example:
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 rifle and 15-22P pistol chambered for 22LR caliber:
the 10 round magazine is unregulated
the 25 round magazine is a prohibited device
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So now I'm somewhat confused as I can buy the inferior Butler Creek 25 round magazine but not the quality Ruger one. Ruger states that they are unable to sell their magazine in Canada but Butler Creek (and other manufacturers) are? How can it be against the law to buy one magazine but not the other? According to the criminal code regulations (listed at the top) it states that a larger magazine is not prohibited for handguns if it has been altered, and there is no limit for a semi-automatic rim-fire long gun. The Ruger 10/22 has been in production since 1964 and the Ruger Charger since 2007 so I believe that most people who want to buy magazine this will get it for their 10/22 and not the Charger. I feel this is unfair to Ruger and Canadian Ruger 10/22 owners. Please take into consideration some suggestions I have to see if something can be done so clear up this irregularity.
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Suggestion #1: If someone is found to have 25 round magazine in a (restricted) handgun then please prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. Make sure that when these magazines are sold and if they are found in a Ruger Charger pistol that criminal charges will be laid. Make all (Butler Creek, Ruger, etc.) who sell the 25 round magazines have a sticker on the package indicating that they are for only use in long guns and that the use is handguns is illegal.
Suggestion #2: As the Ruger Charger is restricted and the Ruger 10/22 is non-restricted, people who own a Ruger Charger pistol are required to have it registered. If someone has a Ruger Charger registered in their name then those people are not eligible to purchase a 25 round magazine for it.
Suggestion #3: Make customers prove they have a Ruger 10/22 to the salespeople who are selling the 25 round magazine. If I am able to prove to the store that I have a 10/22 then I should be able to purchase it. Whether it be me having the rifle in my car so they have to see it or me providing my serial number to verify with Ruger, I believe some arrangements could be made.
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Please take my suggestions into consideration to make the laws fair to all the companies who sell 25 round magazines and the Canadian people who want to purchase them. I appreciate you looking into my inquiry and will await your response.
Respectfully,
###x
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To which I received the following response...
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Thank you for your input and recommendations. Please be assured that your suggestions will be reviewed in the interest of strengthening public safety.
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Thanks guys....
Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.
So now I'm somewhat confused as I can buy the inferior Butler Creek 25 round magazine but not the quality Ruger one. Ruger states that they are unable to sell their magazine in Canada but Butler Creek (and other manufacturers) are? How can it be against the law to buy one magazine but not the other? According to the criminal code regulations (listed at the top) it states that a larger magazine is not prohibited for handguns if it has been altered, and there is no limit for a semi-automatic rim-fire long gun. The Ruger 10/22 has been in production since 1964 and the Ruger Charger since 2007 so I believe that most people who want to buy magazine this will get it for their 10/22 and not the Charger. I feel this is unfair to Ruger and Canadian Ruger 10/22 owners. Please take into consideration some suggestions I have to see if something can be done so clear up this irregularity.
***************
Suggestion #1: If someone is found to have 25 round magazine in a (restricted) handgun then please prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. Make sure that when these magazines are sold and if they are found in a Ruger Charger pistol that criminal charges will be laid. Make all (Butler Creek, Ruger, etc.) who sell the 25 round magazines have a sticker on the package indicating that they are for only use in long guns and that the use is handguns is illegal.
Suggestion #2: As the Ruger Charger is restricted and the Ruger 10/22 is non-restricted, people who own a Ruger Charger pistol are required to have it registered. If someone has a Ruger Charger registered in their name then those people are not eligible to purchase a 25 round magazine for it.
Suggestion #3: Make customers prove they have a Ruger 10/22 to the salespeople who are selling the 25 round magazine. If I am able to prove to the store that I have a 10/22 then I should be able to purchase it. Whether it be me having the rifle in my car so they have to see it or me providing my serial number to verify with Ruger, I believe some arrangements could be made.
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Please take my suggestions into consideration to make the laws fair to all the companies who sell 25 round magazines and the Canadian people who want to purchase them. I appreciate you looking into my inquiry and will await your response.
Respectfully,
###x
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To which I received the following response...
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Thank you for your input and recommendations. Please be assured that your suggestions will be reviewed in the interest of strengthening public safety.
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Thanks guys....
So let me get this straight... you contacted the RCMP and REQUESTED... STIFFER regulations just so that you could manipulate the system so that you can own the BX-25 mags??? You are even suggesting CRMINAL CHARGES for a Canadian shooter using the currently LEGAL BC-25 and TI-25 mags in a Charger pistol!
Are you aware that this website is called CANADIAN GUN NUTZ!!!! Give your head a shake!!!
And as far as the "INFERIOR" BC-25 mags... I have a couple dozen of the BC Steel Lips and TI-25 mags... I sprayed them with four coats of flat black Krylon... they look good and function perfectly... you might WANT the BX-25 mags, but you don't NEED them, the BC-25's are fine and the TI-25's are good also...
Last year I even tried emailing the powers that be about this.....
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To: cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Hello,
My name is ###x. My inquiry is with the Ruger BX-25 magazine ( http://shopruger.com/10_22-BX-25-MAGAZINE/productinfo/90361/ ) and its ability to be purchased in Canada. I own a Ruger 10/22 rifle which comes with a 10 round magazine. When I saw online that they have a factory 25 round magazine for purchase, I went to the website: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/index-eng.htm and read the following.
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Q7. What is the maximum number of cartridges that a firearm magazine can legally hold?
A7. As set out in Criminal Code Regulations, some large-capacity magazines are prohibited regardless of the class of firearm to which the magazines are attached. As a general rule, the maximum magazine capacity is:
5 cartridges for most magazines designed for a semi-automatic centre-fire long gun; or
10 cartridges for most handgun magazines
A large-capacity magazine is not prohibited if it has been permanently altered so that it cannot hold more than the number of cartridges allowed by law. Acceptable ways to alter a magazine are set out in the regulations.
There is no limit to the magazine capacity for semi-automatic rim-fire long guns, or for other long guns that are not semi-automatics.
***************
So it's not against the law for me to have one, great! I then go to a store and find that they do not carry the Ruger magazine, but only these Butler Creek ones.
http://www.cabelas.ca/index.cfm?pageID=71§ion=1281§ion2=1468&ID=9883
As per the website reviews section they are of an inferior quality compared to the Ruger BX-25 magazines so I am not interested. I then decide to contact Ruger who inform me of the following:
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Ruger Customer Support <NoReply@ruger.com> wrote:
Thank you for your inquiry. According to a bulletin from the RCMP dated March 23, 2011, magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges. Since the Ruger Charger pistols use the same magazines as the Ruger 10-22 rifles, the Ruger magazines are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges. This may change in the future if the RCMP decides to modify its ruling.
***************
Well I decide to look at this Ruger Charger pistol ( http://www.ruger.com/products/22Charger/models.html ) and find that it is a 10/22 rifle action with a shorter barrel and stock. I also read the RCMP bulletin here: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both rimfire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.
Example:
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 rifle and 15-22P pistol chambered for 22LR caliber:
the 10 round magazine is unregulated
the 25 round magazine is a prohibited device
***************
So now I'm somewhat confused as I can buy the inferior Butler Creek 25 round magazine but not the quality Ruger one. Ruger states that they are unable to sell their magazine in Canada but Butler Creek (and other manufacturers) are? How can it be against the law to buy one magazine but not the other? According to the criminal code regulations (listed at the top) it states that a larger magazine is not prohibited for handguns if it has been altered, and there is no limit for a semi-automatic rim-fire long gun. The Ruger 10/22 has been in production since 1964 and the Ruger Charger since 2007 so I believe that most people who want to buy magazine this will get it for their 10/22 and not the Charger. I feel this is unfair to Ruger and Canadian Ruger 10/22 owners. Please take into consideration some suggestions I have to see if something can be done so clear up this irregularity.
***************
Suggestion #1: If someone is found to have 25 round magazine in a (restricted) handgun then please prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. Make sure that when these magazines are sold and if they are found in a Ruger Charger pistol that criminal charges will be laid. Make all (Butler Creek, Ruger, etc.) who sell the 25 round magazines have a sticker on the package indicating that they are for only use in long guns and that the use is handguns is illegal.
Suggestion #2: As the Ruger Charger is restricted and the Ruger 10/22 is non-restricted, people who own a Ruger Charger pistol are required to have it registered. If someone has a Ruger Charger registered in their name then those people are not eligible to purchase a 25 round magazine for it.
Suggestion #3: Make customers prove they have a Ruger 10/22 to the salespeople who are selling the 25 round magazine. If I am able to prove to the store that I have a 10/22 then I should be able to purchase it. Whether it be me having the rifle in my car so they have to see it or me providing my serial number to verify with Ruger, I believe some arrangements could be made.
***************
Please take my suggestions into consideration to make the laws fair to all the companies who sell 25 round magazines and the Canadian people who want to purchase them. I appreciate you looking into my inquiry and will await your response.
Respectfully,
###x
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To which I received the following response...
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Thank you for your input and recommendations. Please be assured that your suggestions will be reviewed in the interest of strengthening public safety.
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Thanks guys....
Leave well enough alone dude!All you're gonna end up doing is getting all 25 round mags banned.
I'm not confused in any way.
From the RCMP...
A large-capacity magazine is not prohibited if it has been permanently altered so that it cannot hold more than the number of cartridges allowed by law. Acceptable ways to alter a magazine are set out in the regulations.
A pinned BX-25 is fine.
Agreed. Not saying I would do it, but if someone had one, it could still be used legally if pinned.
