ammo situation worsening.... and worsening..... and worsening ....... May 5, updated

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My little savage likes anything it can get! I read & hear all sorts of opinions on this & that brand, but so far the only negative thing I've experienced is the Remington stuff is dirty & a few misfires, with most brands....

Can't wait to get out & do some plinking,....lots of ammo & so far no shortage of tin cans!;)
 
Ya ammo is going fast, primers, i looked all over edmonton last month for LP primers and none around, found a few thousand Mag Pistol, and no large rifle around either, and powder is getting really slim, no even leads are gong and not being replaced, i no a gun store owner and he is saying 2015 at least before this starts to straighten out, he had orders from federal in january canceled and winchester also, if anyone has primer they want to sell let me no, i shoot lots, but might have to slow down a bit.
 
Just bought a norc .45 and 1000 rounds of norc ammo for $499 shipping included!! There! Ammo situation fixed, just buy your guns with ammo included for a crazy cheap price!!
 
so now, it looks like the ammo shortage will soon start applying to guns LGS just advised that the Ruger Rep claims, once current orders are filled Ruger will NOT be shipping to Canada until it fulfills all U.S. orders so expect that to change sometime in 2015.

It seems every time the ammo situation looks like it could settle down a bit some other tragedy happens in the U.S. causing another run. Its really nuts. Sure stuff keeps rolling in here and there but there is not a single gun shop in Canada who can call any ammo wholesaler and order whatever they like and fill the order, like they used to be able to just a few short months ago. Those days are over for now, to believe otherwise is to ignore the facts
 
bobdbldr said:
Just bought a norc .45 and 1000 rounds of norc ammo for $499 shipping included!! There! Ammo situation fixed, just buy your guns with ammo included for a crazy cheap price!!
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rephrase... buy your guns MADE IN CHINA with ammo that is MADE IN CHINA then you don't have to worry about any competition from the USA
 
a month since I first posted this thread, and the situation seems to only be worsening, not improving, more folks say they trust the U.S. government less and less and are buying ammo like never before. Its not because of duck season, thats for sure. On second thought Maybe Duck Dynasty is the cause of the ammo run. Folks wanting to turn redneck.
 
Seems like a few people do not recall or did not witness the Great Primer Famine of the early 90's.
Somehow a rumour got started in the Excited States about all new primers being made to go stale after two years or so.
That started a HUGE panic, so much so that one relaoding store in Burnaby got a phone call from a police dept in Arizona that absolutely could not find primers in the USA.

Eventually, the customers got to the saturation point where they had more than they could possibly need, the manufacturers caught up, and then there was a primer glut.

I was going down to a monthly gunshow in Puyallup WA and bought flats (5x1000 box) for $55.
That is $11 per 1000 primers.

If you guys want to freak out and pay too much now, go right ahead.
As I said, I bought it when it was on sale, so I'll wait...
 
harbl_the_cat said:
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http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...crease-coming-to-(non-American)-guns-near-you!!!
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Not sure what ya'all are gettin at, this deal was previously great at $599. and he dropped it to $499. soo oo what are you waiting for, you want guns?/ ammo? have atter! You are getting the ammo ,,annnd the gun to shoot them with for less than the ammo go for in the U.S.! Stuff from the states id going to be in short supply for a whie, yes but the rest of us can get most/not all gear from elsewhere in the world and we may even find better gear and equipment in the bargain! ( I know,Iknow, noec gear is for sure not better than...pretty much anything),! However given the rapid ramp up in production cycles in the U.S. I am not sure about how well the manufacturers will be able to keep up on the Q.A.
 
Articles all over the web in the U.S. claiming the worst shortage ever. Even having a hard time keeping up making the cardboard boxes for 22 rimfire. from florida, to pennsylvania to oregon gun shops are rationing ammo purchases and still selling out before noon, when shipments arrive. What's causing it? HOARDING, yet have to admit, everyone in the U.S. that has half a brain, is buying what they can when they can, thinking that they will not be able to buy it as cheaply in the future, or because they might need it. those two reasons are driving the run. but like I have said before, its not just the existing gun owners, its a whole new run of gun owners who never before shot. the ammo is NOT getting used on the ranges, it getting put away for a rainy day. It will settle down, but who knows when???? I sure don't. In any case, its a real shortage regardless of the cause in spite of a few Canadians thinking there is no shortage.
 
Just an anecdote. I have been going down to the Syracuse Gun show the last 5 or 6 years in a row. We always stay in the same hotel in Cicero, it is right beside a Cracker Barrel and Gander Mountain. Pretty much a perfect set up. Anyway, Gander Mountain always has a pile of ammo to browse. If I recall correctly, 3 full aisles. Well, not anymore. When we walked into the store last weekend, I went right to the ammo section to check out the prices. I looked, and looked again. Where is the rifle and pistol ammo. Not seeing anything centrefire, rimfire. Well, after looking around I found it. At the end of one of the three rows, about 20 boxes of centrefire ammo. Some 270, 30-30 IIRC, just a fwe boxes of basics. I couldn't believe it. What was there I could walk out with in one large bag. Before, there was 3 full aisles, and I mean full. Now, those aisles are all packed with shotgun ammunition.
At the show itself, ammo was flying off tables, and higher prices. There were line ups up some of the big ammo dealer tables, and guys walking out with cases. Never seen that before. Pretty crazy.
Anyway, just wanted to share.
Matt
 
I finally got paranoid enough and bought another 1000 .223, 9mm, and some .338lapua. Sitting on about 6000 rounds right now with all my calibers so I should be good for at least a year. I haven't followed this ammo shortage that closely but I haven't had any trouble getting my hands on ammo which has me wondering what's really in short supply. I go to P&D and they still had there usual pallets of bulk ammo with multiple calibers and brands. Would it be safe to assume that they just had a lot in stock and once its gone its gone? I never bothered to ask.

I recently started buying reloading equipment cause I'm at that stage where I feel its time to start but from the limited amount I read here it seems that's where the real shortage is? Should I pause on buying the rest of my equipment and just spend the money on ammo that's ready to go and just save the brass?

Also I don't own a .22, its something I've wanted to get into since firing .338lapua on a students salary is killing me, it seems to be the caliber people are worrying the most about. Would you guys recommend holding off on that as well?
 
Matt74 said:
Just an anecdote. I have been going down to the Syracuse Gun show the last 5 or 6 years in a row. We always stay in the same hotel in Cicero, it is right beside a Cracker Barrel and Gander Mountain. Pretty much a perfect set up. Anyway, Gander Mountain always has a pile of ammo to browse. If I recall correctly, 3 full aisles. Well, not anymore. When we walked into the store last weekend, I went right to the ammo section to check out the prices. I looked, and looked again. Where is the rifle and pistol ammo. Not seeing anything centrefire, rimfire. Well, after looking around I found it. At the end of one of the three rows, about 20 boxes of centrefire ammo. Some 270, 30-30 IIRC, just a fwe boxes of basics. I couldn't believe it. What was there I could walk out with in one large bag. Before, there was 3 full aisles, and I mean full. Now, those aisles are all packed with shotgun ammunition.
At the show itself, ammo was flying off tables, and higher prices. There were line ups up some of the big ammo dealer tables, and guys walking out with cases. Never seen that before. Pretty crazy.
Anyway, just wanted to share.
Matt
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Interesting observation on the shotgun ammo. What is everyone's take on why the shotgun ammo is not in big demand?

YoungGunz said:
Also I don't own a .22, its something I've wanted to get into since firing .338lapua on a students salary is killing me, it seems to be the caliber people are worrying the most about. Would you guys recommend holding off on that as well?
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And this. Why are people hoarding 22lr? Even if people in the US are concerned about gun confiscations and new laws, 22lr is not exactly a defensive round nor usually an item high on the confiscation list. Personnally, I think it another example people caught up in the frenzy but not really thinking about what they are doing.
 
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Interesting observation on the shotgun ammo. What is everyone's take on why the shotgun ammo is not in big demand?



And this. Why are people hoarding 22lr? Even if people in the US are concerned about gun confiscations and new laws, 22lr is not exactly a defensive round nor usually an item high on the confiscation list. Personnally, I think it another example people caught up in the frenzy but not really thinking about what they are doing.
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I was thinking the same thing, you couldn't exactly go up against an Abram's tank with a .22. My only guess is people are using it to train with since its so cheap and just transferring that knowledge over to more realistic defense guns. In the end its just a bunch of whacko's who in all honesty would probably be the first to surrender their guns when push comes to shove. They act like a confiscation order is just going to be given all at once. they don't seem to realize that this doesn't work and government's know it, this whole process takes years to accomplish not hours and I wish everyone would just calm down down there. However, I think all this paranoia and chaos is actually helping the cause more than anything, we all know how easily a silent majority will fall to a very small but very vocal minority.
 
Matt74 said:
Just an anecdote. I have been going down to the Syracuse Gun show the last 5 or 6 years in a row. We always stay in the same hotel in Cicero, it is right beside a Cracker Barrel and Gander Mountain. Pretty much a perfect set up. Anyway, Gander Mountain always has a pile of ammo to browse. If I recall correctly, 3 full aisles. Well, not anymore. When we walked into the store last weekend, I went right to the ammo section to check out the prices. I looked, and looked again. Where is the rifle and pistol ammo. Not seeing anything centrefire, rimfire. Well, after looking around I found it. At the end of one of the three rows, about 20 boxes of centrefire ammo. Some 270, 30-30 IIRC, just a fwe boxes of basics. I couldn't believe it. What was there I could walk out with in one large bag. Before, there was 3 full aisles, and I mean full. Now, those aisles are all packed with shotgun ammunition.
At the show itself, ammo was flying off tables, and higher prices. There were line ups up some of the big ammo dealer tables, and guys walking out with cases. Never seen that before. Pretty crazy.
Anyway, just wanted to share.
Matt
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So what I take from this observation is people are clearing out the stores to re-sell at the gun shows at huge mark-ups with eager buyers willing to buy it in bulk.

Why? Paranoia and those taking advantage of it, and those bought into it enough to pay their price.
 
The thing is - ammo priced at 2012 prices IS cheap. The question is - availability.

There's LOTs of ammo available - just NOT at 2012 prices.

I believe I've been saying all along - if ammo can be had at 2012 prices or lower, IT'S IS A DEAL after the 2008-2009 panic and AT THE 2012 PRICES IS SHOULD be "hoarded." Priced higher - I think is expensive, and would have reservations about getting much more, especially in the current market environment.

After the dust has settled with this panic, whether it's the end of the US dollar, or whether this ponzi scheme system continues - I personally don't think ammo will EVER fall below the 2012 prices, of if it does, there will be even WORSE shortages than there are now with large upwards pressure on the price.
 
harbl_the_cat said:
After the dust has settled with this panic, whether it's the end of the US dollar, or whether this ponzi scheme system continues - I personally don't think ammo will EVER fall below the 2012 prices, of if it does, there will be even WORSE shortages than there are now with large upwards pressure on the price.
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At a retail level, a price increase is inevitable. Just like almost all other commodities. I think when the hoarders decide to liquidate, we may see the opposite pressure. Retailers may not want to see ammo sitting on the shelves while the hoarders come to their senses.

Maybe.
 
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