Mossberg night train 2 major issue

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I have owned this Mossberg night train 2 for over a year now and is my first real attempt at longer range accuracy shooting. with this in mind I was having a hard time trying to sight rifle in to even hit the bullet stop at 50 yards yet alone the target itself. But after hundreds of rounds and loctite every bolt I could find on the rifle ( lots were coming loose and throwing off any progress I may have made ) I'm finally hitting the target. But now at 50 yards I was getting a 2 inch grouping, with first shot hitting close to where I was aiming the the rest start going further and further off target in a semi circle pattern. The next five rounds would do the same but the grouping would go from 2 inch to a 3 1/2 inch grouping. This continues as the rifle gets warm. After letting it cool would go back to a 2 inch grouping and continue to widen up. I got a pal to shoot rifle and exact same stuff was happening to him. Its a 308 riffle and I was using norinco bulk ammo and I was shooting from a solid set if bags. Next time I head out ill take some pictures of the groupings to give a better picture of what is happening. Any info you guys could give me on what the heck my rifle is doing I would greatly apreciate it.
 
1) it's a night train
2) norinco bulk ammo isn't exactly known for accuracy
3) how fast are you shooting and how hot does your barrel get?
4) are you using atleast a semi decent scope and mounts ?
 
Sounds like the barrel is heating up and there might be a pressure point involved in the forearm of the stock. Like others have said, get better ammo, even Federal blue box or Winchester silver box is waaayyyy better than what you are using currently. And clean the barrel really well before your next outing with decent ammo, that surplus stuff might be leaving a heavy powder and copper build up.

Good luck!
 
Here's a way to put it in perspective. The Night Train is like a knock off suit. It looks good on the hanger (well to some) but if you put it to use the flaws will begin to show.

As already stated, don't let it get hot, and try some different ammo.

And just because I can't resist...

If they name it after a fortified wine...
 
I wish those that are always bragging about the benefits of the cheap guns would show up in threads like this. They like to point out how great these guns are at getting more people into shooting but forget they only frustrate and discourage a new shooter. A cheap gun with cheap scope is no consolation when you can't hit what you're aiming for.

OP please don't take offense but you have a cheap rifle with crap optics shooting crap ammo. If you want to put lipstick on a pig keep playing with it. Clearly money is a motivating factor in your choice but a wise man once told me "I don't make enough money to buy crap". Save some money and buy yourself some decent kit and get into reloading. A Remington 5R with a decent scope and mounts (nothing wrong with used), and you can drive bullets into at least 3/4 inch at 100yds, possibly better. The Night Train is only going to piss you off and make you hate yourself. :)
 
Gonna try some better ammo and if still shooting like crap I might have to look into trading it in. Im not that emotionally attached to the rifle. What your guys thoughts on remington 700 ?
 
Gunslinger said:
I wish those that are always bragging about the benefits of the cheap guns would show up in threads like this. They like to point out how great these guns are at getting more people into shooting but forget they only frustrate and discourage a new shooter. A cheap gun with cheap scope is no consolation when you can't hit what you're aiming for.

OP please don't take offense but you have a cheap rifle with crap optics shooting crap ammo. If you want to put lipstick on a pig keep playing with it. Clearly money is a motivating factor in your choice but a wise man once told me "I don't make enough money to buy crap". Save some money and buy yourself some decent kit and get into reloading. A Remington 5R with a decent scope and mounts (nothing wrong with used), and you can drive bullets into at least 3/4 inch at 100yds, possibly better. The Night Train is only going to piss you off and make you hate yourself. :)
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Good advice!
 
Chairs said:
Gonna try some better ammo and if still shooting like crap I might have to look into trading it in. Im not that emotionally attached to the rifle. What your guys thoughts on remington 700 ?
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What's your thoughts on Ford? :) They make as many different models as Remington.

The cheapest 700 out there (SPS?) is about 3 light years ahead of the Nightmare...I mean TrainWreck...whatever...
 
Heavy barrel Remington or Savage. Just about anyone will get you started. Stock and barrel twist is the only issue I see. I'd suggest a .223 with a 1 in 9 twist barrel. IF you hand load you can likely get a factory rifle from one of the above to shoot groups under 1". I had an SPS Tac that would shoot sub MOA with hand loads, I had two Savage .223's that would shoot under 1 MOA. I also had a Tikka that would also shoot under 1 MOA.

It's time for a new boom stick, just stay away from the bum wines and stuff named like them. Also if it's all tricked out and inexpensive it's ment to look good on the wall not the firing point.
 
Sorry to say this. But don't waste more money buying better ammo or a better scope yet.

Sell the rifle. It will probably benefit you so much more and save you a Of time, money and effort.

Missberg nightrade rifles are not what I feel should be attempted to be used in the Long range precision world. Just my two.

Save cash, and your hair falling out trying to make a it work.
 
In a similar price range is the Rem 700 SPS tacticals. They make good starting points for new shooters and respond pretty well to handloading. You can learn to shoot well with it, then upgrade to improve the rifle until it once again exceeds your abilities, play catch up and so on. Any gunsmith worth the time of day can work the trigger down, and the good ones can turn the action into something worth screwing a good barrel onto. Also, invest in good optics. Plenty of options in the $1000 range that wont hold you back, do your research before buying as you can just as easily be fooled by features and looks. For 100 yd shooting the Bushnell 10x40 is a solid choice but not well suited to printing tiny groups especially outside 100 yds.
 
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