Mossberg night train 2 major issue

The SPS is decent but the Hogue stock is not great, by the time you replace it you could have bought a Rem 5R which already has a really good stock, is stainless and finished better, and they have a reputation for shooting really well. Take your time and keep your eye on the EE for a good deal, they're out there you just have to be patient.
 
Matt_dal123 said:
Sorry to say this. But don't waste more money buying better ammo or a better scope yet.

Sell the rifle. It will probably benefit you so much more and save you a Of time, money and effort.

Missberg nightrade rifles are not what I feel should be attempted to be used in the Long range precision world. Just my two.

Save cash, and your hair falling out trying to make a it work.
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I would disagree, he's going to need a better scope and ammo anyways - unless you're suggesting he mounts the barska on to a Remington/Savage and shoot norinco ammo out of it.

Now that would be a waste of money.
 
Never handled one, but to the OP, is your barrel "freefloating" from the stock. If your forearm on the stock is putting pressure against the barrel you will want address this problem, as there's a few ways to freefloat your barrel that cost nothing to do. There's a start, and I'd be trying some different weight cartridges 150, 165, 180. Sometimes a rifle just needs a few flaws dealt with to work out your problems. Good luck and don't give up right away as it may just be some attention to detail to get you fixed up.
 
The night train looks cool. Its got that tactical razzamatazz, but unfortunatly, thats all it has. A bore sight kit may also be a wise investment. Lol, but you have bigger problems right now.

"Nightmare, trainwreck, missberg" thats funny.
 
wheels said:
I would disagree, he's going to need a better scope and ammo anyways - unless you're suggesting he mounts the barska on to a Remington/Savage and shoot norinco ammo out of it.

Now that would be a waste of money.
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Please read again. "Yet" was mentioned. I know he will need it anyway. Therefore, most people start by buying a rifle they want and for what they need it for. Then working on a scope for it, along with the mounts it will require and the kind you would like for the type of shooting.

Ammo is obvious and once again I didn't say, don't get better ammo. My point was work from the rifle first. Would be pretty pointless buying good ammo for a piece of #### gun, then finding out its still ####, and putting the good ammo Into a new rifle which also doesn't like it. Pick the rifle, test some ammo, find what it likes.

So i don't think my point in any way suggested for the OP to waste money....

And yes that's EXACTLY what I meant. Get a barska and some norinco and and it will all be better....

f:P:
 
Gunslinger said:
I wish those that are always bragging about the benefits of the cheap guns would show up in threads like this. They like to point out how great these guns are at getting more people into shooting but forget they only frustrate and discourage a new shooter. A cheap gun with cheap scope is no consolation when you can't hit what you're aiming for.
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There are "cheap guns" and there are inexpensive guns. I have a Stevens 200 in .308 Win with an old Bushnell Scopechief 4X on it. This rifle shoots consistent 1.5" groups and all I've done to it was to change to an old three screw Savage trigger that I got for $10 at a gun show. My total cost is about $400, that would make it an inexpensive gun but it sure isn't cheap junk!
 
762shooter said:
There are "cheap guns" and there are inexpensive guns. I have a Stevens 200 in .308 Win with an old Bushnell Scopechief 4X on it. This rifle shoots consistent 1.5" groups and all I've done to it was to change to an old three screw Savage trigger that I got for $10 at a gun show. My total cost is about $400, that would make it an inexpensive gun but it sure isn't cheap junk!
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Agreed, I love my Stevens 223 with a budget scope. I got a Rifle Basix trigger for about $90 once I had a little more money to throw around. The original feels like you're dragging a brick over course sandpaper. The gun will shoot though, under an inch with just about anything you put in it.
 
762shooter said:
There are "cheap guns" and there are inexpensive guns. I have a Stevens 200 in .308 Win with an old Bushnell Scopechief 4X on it. This rifle shoots consistent 1.5" groups and all I've done to it was to change to an old three screw Savage trigger that I got for $10 at a gun show. My total cost is about $400, that would make it an inexpensive gun but it sure isn't cheap junk!
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That's great accuracy from a $400 gun and fine if you're happy with 1.5" and all you're doing is shooting at 100yds. But this is a precision forum, take your gun out to 800-1000yds and suddenly your 1.5" group is 15" at least and that 4x scope without parallax is not going to do you any favors not to mention the stock. I got a stock Rem 5R that shoots 1/2"-5/8" out of the box with a Nikon 10x Tactical, not exactly high end kit but it's a solid set up and punches well above it's price point when you compare it to custom rifles. Not saying the Savages/Stevens are bad, but to bring them up to scratch will likely cost as much as a new 5R by the time you get a new stock-barrel-trigger. Tikka's are nice too but a little more pricey, another plus is the Rem is scalable as you improve with lots of aftermarket support. It's up to the OP and his budget, my only advice is if he's getting into precision shooting is to save more money and get some decent kit and look at reloading (do the math on buying vs. reloading 1000rnds and it's almost a wash including the equipment).

Nothing more satisfying having worked hard to purchase good kit, putting it all together properly, working on reloads, then watching the results as you bang holes into tiny groups or make steel ring from stupid distances. It's either that or posting here about the troubles you're having with a POS rifle one of the manufacturers marketing team suckered a new shooter into buying. It really sucks to say that but it's the OP's reality, and I feel as more experienced shooters it's our responsibility to guide a new shooter as best we can with good advice even if it's not something they may not want to hear.
 
Gunslinger said:
That's great accuracy from a $400 gun and fine if you're happy with 1.5" and all you're doing is shooting at 100yds. But this is a precision forum, take your gun out to 800-1000yds and suddenly your 1.5" group is 15" at least and that 4x scope without parallax is not going to do you any favors not to mention the stock. I got a stock Rem 5R that shoots 1/2"-5/8" out of the box with a Nikon 10x Tactical, not exactly high end kit but it's a solid set up and punches well above it's price point when you compare it to custom rifles. Not saying the Savages/Stevens are bad, but to bring them up to scratch will likely cost as much as a new 5R by the time you get a new stock-barrel-trigger. Tikka's are nice too but a little more pricey, another plus is the Rem is scalable as you improve with lots of aftermarket support. It's up to the OP and his budget, my only advice is if he's getting into precision shooting is to save more money and get some decent kit and look at reloading (do the math on buying vs. reloading 1000rnds and it's almost a wash including the equipment).

Nothing more satisfying having worked hard to purchase good kit, putting it all together properly, working on reloads, then watching the results as you bang holes into tiny groups or make steel ring from stupid distances. It's either that or posting here about the troubles you're having with a POS rifle one of the manufacturers marketing team suckered a new shooter into buying. It really sucks to say that but it's the OP's reality, and I feel as more experienced shooters it's our responsibility to guide a new shooter as best we can with good advice even if it's not something they may not want to hear.
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Whats so good about the 5r anyway? The stock is stiff but, other than that.... whats so great about a 5r?
 
We're talking stock rifles. Rem 700 action which is "THE" action when it comes to aftermarket support stocks/triggers/mag kits/scope bases/bolt knob and any gunsmith can work on them. Stainless barrel and action which is nice and also finished nicer than the SPS, HS Precision aluminum chassis stock, good trigger, decent price point and you can find them used between $900-1000. Most importantly I've never heard a bad word about them, if anything only guys who are impressed with their accuracy, and I can confirm that with my own experience. Show me a rifle that offers similar features and performance at the same price point requiring no additional work other than installation of a scope.
 
Gunslinger said:
That's great accuracy from a $400 gun and fine if you're happy with 1.5" and all you're doing is shooting at 100yds. But this is a precision forum, take your gun out to 800-1000yds and suddenly your 1.5" group is 15" at least and that 4x scope without parallax is not going to do you any favors not to mention the stock. I got a stock Rem 5R that shoots 1/2"-5/8" out of the box with a Nikon 10x Tactical, not exactly high end kit but it's a solid set up and punches well above it's price point when you compare it to custom rifles. Not saying the Savages/Stevens are bad, but to bring them up to scratch will likely cost as much as a new 5R by the time you get a new stock-barrel-trigger. Tikka's are nice too but a little more pricey, another plus is the Rem is scalable as you improve with lots of aftermarket support. It's up to the OP and his budget, my only advice is if he's getting into precision shooting is to save more money and get some decent kit and look at reloading (do the math on buying vs. reloading 1000rnds and it's almost a wash including the equipment).

Nothing more satisfying having worked hard to purchase good kit, putting it all together properly, working on reloads, then watching the results as you bang holes into tiny groups or make steel ring from stupid distances. It's either that or posting here about the troubles you're having with a POS rifle one of the manufacturers marketing team suckered a new shooter into buying. It really sucks to say that but it's the OP's reality, and I feel as more experienced shooters it's our responsibility to guide a new shooter as best we can with good advice even if it's not something they may not want to hear.
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I get that and I do own a few precision rifles. I was just taking exception to the ongoing cheap shots at any rifle that doesn't cost at least a weeks pay. As a hunting rifle or plinker this Stevens is a terrific, adequately accurate, safe, utilitarian firearm. For a while I had a Bushnell 3200 10 X scope on it and it will shoot 1" groups, I just didn't want that scope on it for what I use it for. On the other hand, there are rifles that I just would not buy, but not everything inexpensive equals cheap junk.
 
They're not cheap shots but points of fact. There is a difference between a $400 and a $1000 rifle, figure out all the changes you have to make to the $400 rifle to bring it up to par to the $1000 one and you'll likely be around $600 more between barrel/stock/trigger, perhaps even more. To make a $400 rifle compromises in parts and quality have to be made, there's no getting around it, and those compromises do affect the performance of the rifle. As a hunting rifle or plinker 1.5" groups are great, but the OP bought the Nightrain set up more as a precision rifle and the performance of his rifle/scope/ammo commensurate with the amount of money he spent. He can spend his time (the equivalent of money from a manufacturing standpoint) and more money getting this dog to work, or start from scratch with a system that will perform to his expectations. Money is a factor in performance, and there's an exponential correlation between accuracy and cost to achieve it. The smaller and more consistent you expect your groups to be the more it's going to cost you.
 
Gunslinger said:
They're not cheap shots but points of fact. There is a difference between a $400 and a $1000 rifle, figure out all the changes you have to make to the $400 rifle to bring it up to par to the $1000 one and you'll likely be around $600 more between barrel/stock/trigger, perhaps even more. To make a $400 rifle compromises in parts and quality have to be made, there's no getting around it, and those compromises do affect the performance of the rifle. As a hunting rifle or plinker 1.5" groups are great, but the OP bought the Nightrain set up more as a precision rifle and the performance of his rifle/scope/ammo commensurate with the amount of money he spent. He can spend his time (the equivalent of money from a manufacturing standpoint) and more money getting this dog to work, or start from scratch with a system that will perform to his expectations. Money is a factor in performance, and there's an exponential correlation between accuracy and cost to achieve it. The smaller and more consistent you expect your groups to be the more it's going to cost you.
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But you are still hung up comparing apples to oranges. The Stevens and a precision rifle are two different things and your comparison makes no more sense than applying the argument to a Honda Civic compared to a Corvette. The Stevens is a safe, reliable and more than adequate for its intended purpose.
 
First line in the OP's post,

I have owned this Mossberg night train 2 for over a year now and is my first real attempt at longer range accuracy shooting.
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You brought up the Steven's in this thread and started comparing apples to oranges. OP's intent is long range accuracy shooting, a stock Steven's isn't well suited to that and neither is a Mossberg Nightrain. If you want to partake in long range precision shooting, with any kind of consistent and decent result, the $$$ starting point is above and beyond what either two cost and deliver in their stock configurations.
 
clatartar said:
Whats so good about the 5r anyway? The stock is stiff but, other than that.... whats so great about a 5r?
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With my SPS and 5R sitting next to each other:
The fit and finish of the 5R is not even comparable to the SPS. The action on my 5R is like glass.
The 5R comes with an adjustable trigger. The X-Mark Pro is not a Jewel but it is also heads and shoulders above the stock SPS.
The stock is indeed very stiff (although the butt pad could due to be a bit softer)
The barrel has the 5R rifling with the 1:11.2 twist and the radiused grooves that I believe resist fouling and is easier to clean.
 
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