Prohibited Milsurp Question

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1st let me state that I dont know anyone who has a prohib gun legally or illegally.

About 5 yrs ago an acquiantance told me that his very old war vet neighbour has a Bren gun that he wants to vet rid of and he offered it to me. At 1st thought I said hell ya.I didnt get much chance to look into the legal options. A few days later I learned that it had been turned in to police for destruction.

My question is... how could someone take possession of such a beast and get it deactivated legally or is this not possible?
 
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A licenced gunsmith might be pretty unhappy if someone walked through the door with an unpapered machine gun.
 
tiriaq said:
A licenced gunsmith might be pretty unhappy if someone walked through the door with an unpapered machine gun.
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I guess the underlying question here is about getting this unregistered machine gun a proper registration (if possible) and then deactivate it through the proper channel (eg. gunsmith with a prohib licence), without surrendering it to the police (again, if possible).
 
I have Prohibs and I'm not very happy about it: half my handguns, my Reising and my competition rifle, all Prohibbed after I bought them. In some cases, values reduced 90%...... and yet Magna Charta has said for 798 years that the Crown will not do that to me, nor to you.

Plan C is not the best option in this country.

"When three conspire against the State, two are policemen and the other a fool." - Russian proverb

This is Canada.

You have the right to have ### with anything that swims, crawls or walks. You have the right to kill unborn children the day before they would be born. If you want to get elected, you can promise the people anything and deliver nothing..... and the courts will call it a "mere puff". If you are well-connected politically, you have the right to steal a billion dollars and then sue the people who query your honesty.

But you do NOT have the right to possess peacefully in your own home the same instruments you buy for our military and police.

This is a FREE country, remember?

Tace ut potes.
 
Could you not find someone locally who has their 12.5 and have them help you. Then have them legally register it and then proceed deactivation via gunsmith?
 
smellie said:
I have Prohibs and I'm not very happy about it: half my handguns, my Reising and my competition rifle, all Prohibbed after I bought them. In some cases, values reduced 90%...... and yet Magna Charta has said for 798 years that the Crown will not do that to me, nor to you.

Plan C is not the best option in this country.

"When three conspire against the State, two are policemen and the other a fool." - Russian proverb

This is Canada.

You have the right to have ### with anything that swims, crawls or walks. You have the right to kill unborn children the day before they would be born. If you want to get elected, you can promise the people anything and deliver nothing..... and the courts will call it a "mere puff". If you are well-connected politically, you have the right to steal a billion dollars and then sue the people who query your honesty.

But you do NOT have the right to possess peacefully in your own home the same instruments you buy for our military and police.

This is a FREE country, remember?

Tace ut potes.
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Well, you just made my day and said everything that needs be said.
 
JimDO said:
1st let me state that I dont know anyone who has a prohib gun legally or illegally.

About 5 yrs ago an acquiantance told me that his very old war vet neighbour has a Bren gun that he wants to vet rid of and he offered it to me. At 1st thought I said hell ya.I didnt get much chance to look the legal options. A few days later I learned that it had been turned in to police for destruction.

My question is... how could someone take possession of such a beast and get it deactivated legally or is this not possible?
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I'm not sure-my opinion is that if you take it to dewat-S/B okay-consult firearms lawyer-ie.Ed Berlew
 
It cannot be registered, period. It is not possible to register a new prohibited firearm (any class of prohib) period. You could probably weld everything on the gun up tight and hope like hell your "deac" is within the guidelines for prohib deactivation, but if it isn't, you're going to jail. If you had a close and trusted friend who was a gunsmith, that person could (but probably wouldn't) do the work for you. Either way, I believe there's a special place in hell for someone who deactivates a perfectly good Bren Gun, unless it's to prevent it being cut up.
 
once its welded properly it is no longer a firearm. you can do as you wish showing it to whomever you wish.

hiding it live will always be a liability,
showing it to your select circle of friends ,until there is a falling out .or they get dinged by the police and rat you out.
 
gaff said:
once its welded properly it is no longer a firearm. you can do as you wish showing it to whomever you wish.

hiding it live will always be a liability,
showing it to your select circle of friends ,until there is a falling out .or they get dinged by the police and rat you out.
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I believe the deactivation must be performed and certified by a gunsmith only- and you will get documents to verify it is no longer considered a firearm. It will be stricken from the registry as an active firearm, as there is a notification process associated with the deactivation.
 
And there were a LOT of not-terribly-invasive deacts done in the old days.

When the Maxims came in after the Great War, they put a pick-axe spike through the water-jacket, removed the Lock and the Feed Block and that was it.

I have seen older Bren deacts with just the firing-pin removed, bolt-face welded so that a new Pin would not help, chamber plug welded into place. Some had the barrel-change lever tacked down as well.

It COULD be an older DEWAT which has not been ON the books for 50 years, done before the standards got so anal. Remember, for the old ones, there WERE no certificates. Any dealer could have them on the rack, fully active, anyone could buy one. All you had to do was REGISTER the thing. If a dealer deacted one, it just got struck off the inventory and out the door.

All of this paper-work and inspection and more paperwork and re-inspection and "tightening-up" of "standards" is very recent. Originally, it was just "Well, if you can't just switch parts from the spares kit, it's gotta be inactive."... so that meant #####ing the guts and preventing spares from being inserted without having to bust welds; if the spares wouldn't just slide into place because there was a weld in place, then it was deactivated. And that was bad enough. But the gun had been DEactivated: rendered INACTIVE. And that was the law for over 40 years.

How good are YOU at dating old arc-welds? Old rusty arc-welds?
 
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