Trigger Lock Issues

Thomas D'Arcy McGee

Thomas D'Arcy McGee

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Hi, I have a P226 Tactical Operations. In addition, I have a Speed Vault 500.

As you know, I have to have a trigger lock on the handgun, while in the SV500. I have tried a standard Mastercraft combination trigger lock and the cord lock that came with my SIG, but both will not fit inside the SV500.

What I need is a small combination trigger lock. Do you know of such lock?

A link to the product would be appreciated.

In addition, can I just keep the SIG in the plastic gun case it came in with a lock on the trigger and a lock on the case and a loaded magazine in the gun case under my bed? The magazine would not be in the pistol!

Thank you :)
 
gnmontey said:
Would you consider posting images of a Bellock beside a Mastercraft (or any other for that matter), so that we can get a feel for what a "bit narrower" means? An image with a ruler in the shot would help.

Been battling this fat trigger lock issue for quite some time now.

Thanks,

M
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Especially with my 10/22 rifles with a smaller trigger space and smaller hand gun triggers..
 
Thomas D'Arcy McGee said:
In addition, can I just keep the SIG in the plastic gun case it came in with a lock on the trigger and a lock on the case and a loaded magazine in the gun case under my bed? The magazine would not be in the pistol!
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Yes.

According to the Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations (SOR 98-209 S.6), a Restricted fire-arm may be stored:

(a) un-loaded,
(b) (i) trigger locked and in a locked container not readily broken into, and
(c) together with ammunition if (i) they're in a locked container not readily broken into.

So basically you are satisfying Part (b)(i), which will satisfy (c)(i) by the same wording. (There is one other situation in (b)(i) that is not applicable to (c)(i), but that doesn't matter in this case.)

About your Speed Vault 500, it is arguable that it satisfies (b)(ii), and thus won't require a trigger lock. It hinges on the definition of ‘vault’ or ‘safe.’ Ordinarily I would advocate that any locking metal box is a ‘safe’ (as has been ruled in Canadian courts), but the minimal size of the SV500 would certainly present an opportunity for argument by the Crown to the contrary. Absolutely mount it to a wall stud or similar, else I wouldn't chance it. It certainly helps that the product is called a Vault, is specifically sold to securely store guns, and is California-approved for such.
 
If its in a safe why bother with the trigger lock? You already meet regulations by having it in a safe, assuming you securely mounted the safe
 
red_bailey said:
Yes.

According to the Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations (SOR 98-209 S.6), a Restricted fire-arm may be stored:

(a) un-loaded,
(b) (i) trigger locked and in a locked container not readily broken into, and
(c) together with ammunition if (i) they're in a locked container not readily broken into.

So basically you are satisfying Part (b)(i), which will satisfy (c)(i) by the same wording. (There is one other situation in (b)(i) that is not applicable to (c)(i), but that doesn't matter in this case.)

About your Speed Vault 500, it is arguable that it satisfies (b)(ii), and thus won't require a trigger lock. It hinges on the definition of ‘vault’ or ‘safe.’ Ordinarily I would advocate that any locking metal box is a ‘safe’ (as has been ruled in Canadian courts), but the minimal size of the SV500 would certainly present an opportunity for argument by the Crown to the contrary. Absolutely mount it to a wall stud or similar, else I wouldn't chance it. It certainly helps that the product is called a Vault, is specifically sold to securely store guns, and is California-approved for such.
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Any legal types care to comment on whether the Speed Vault 500 or similar small size gun vaults would not qualify as "safes" under the current interpretation of "safe" by the courts in regard to firearms storage? I would think that if a "stack-on" cabinet or old gym locker is considered a "safe" under the law, then any locking container made of metal would also satisfy this definition. Any thoughts?
 
Hey fellows, you guys are great :rockOn: I really owe you two big favours, I do not need a trigger lock for my SV500 and yes it is bolted to the wall with 80lbs drywall plugs :)

So, looks like I will be just fine, no trigger lock necessary in my SV500!!!

Thanks again :wave:

TDM
 
beagles#1 said:
Any legal types care to comment on whether the Speed Vault 500 or similar small size gun vaults would not qualify as "safes" under the current interpretation of "safe" by the courts in regard to firearms storage? I would think that if a "stack-on" cabinet or old gym locker is considered a "safe" under the law, then any locking container made of metal would also satisfy this definition. Any thoughts?
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The words "vault" and "safe" are very ambiguous and is open for interpretation. Personally, I would not consider the Speed Vault 500 a safe or a vault because it's so small; it's more like a container with a lock. Secondly, if an RCMP officer saw the gun without a trigger lock, it would probably get on the officer's bad side. Under Canadian laws, there's no reason for you to need to "quickly" retrieve the pistol. Just look at Ian Thomson. Additionally, you will need to put a trigger lock on it anyway for transportation.

Bottom line, cover your ass so you don't get into legal troubles.
 
According to the Henry Barnes case in Ontario even a Stack On "Cabinet" is a safe.

This "Vault" looks quite a bit sturdier to me.

That said, having such a setup in your home is asking for trouble of you ever have to use it if you ask me.

Protection is not a legitimate reason for owning a handgun, and as we have seen the crown will come after you with everything they have if you do use one for such a purpose. Having a quick access vault, and no trigger lock on the gun with a loaded mag ready to go, will not look good.

I wouldn't be surprised if the police, and CFO, would consider such a vault reason enough to take your PAL and guns from you. Planning to use guns as protection is a big no no in their eyes and this looks like you are planning just that.

I don't agree with any of this, and wish things were different, but I have no faith in the justice system or law enforcement when it comes to stuff like this.

I bet you Ian Thompson wishes he just grabbed the 12 gauge instead........
 
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