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I almost put an order in. I'm not going to get burned again trying shiet - I'll wait for a review.
Canadian Made .50cal mags
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A company that makes a magazine that could easily be viewed within the legal system as an "over capacity" magazine then slaps a .50 Beowulf stamp on it is doing risky business.
Who's to say the government won't get ahold of one and say: "Hmm, where are the design plans and testing reports that show this is actually a .50 Beowulf magazine and not just a prohibitied 5.56mm mag?". I'm not saying these guys haven't done their due dilligence and submitted this magazine for verification to the RCMP, because I don't know what they've done, but if it turns out this really is a fly by night operation to make a couple bucks and the magazines haven't been verified, there is a real chance that they could be declared prohibited devices and either require pinning to 5 rounds of 5.56mm or surrendered for destruction.
As I've said before, the government personelle who need to know about .50 Beowulf magazines know about the legal and social ramifications of .50 Beowulf magazines. I highly doubt they'll just sit back and watch these things fly off the shelves.
As someone who's had more exposure to .50 Beowulf magazines than most in Canada, unless there's a piece of paper saying a .50 Beowulf magazine is legally a .50 Beowulf magazine here in Canada, I wouldn't dare purchase it.
Who's to say the government won't get ahold of one and say: "Hmm, where are the design plans and testing reports that show this is actually a .50 Beowulf magazine and not just a prohibitied 5.56mm mag?". I'm not saying these guys haven't done their due dilligence and submitted this magazine for verification to the RCMP, because I don't know what they've done, but if it turns out this really is a fly by night operation to make a couple bucks and the magazines haven't been verified, there is a real chance that they could be declared prohibited devices and either require pinning to 5 rounds of 5.56mm or surrendered for destruction.
As I've said before, the government personelle who need to know about .50 Beowulf magazines know about the legal and social ramifications of .50 Beowulf magazines. I highly doubt they'll just sit back and watch these things fly off the shelves.
As someone who's had more exposure to .50 Beowulf magazines than most in Canada, unless there's a piece of paper saying a .50 Beowulf magazine is legally a .50 Beowulf magazine here in Canada, I wouldn't dare purchase it.
I think you hit the nail on the head here.
And what's important to understand as well, is that the Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf magazines are nothing other than CAA .223 magazines, with .50 Beowulf molded in.....
Unless of course Alexander Arms really went to all the work to have their own molds made, and they just happen to bear a striking, and I mean STRIKING resemblance to CAA magazines....
No one else noticed that?
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Section 84 of the criminal code comes to mind...
What a factory declares to be a .50 calibre magazine may not be what the government defines to be a .50 calibre magazine. Look, I can call my car a rocket ship, but in the eyes of the government it's still a car. The government may say, "that stamp is real nifty, but we're affraid these are actually overcapcity 5.56mm mags, and effectively prohibited devices". I'm just warning people to be careful when you play with matches. Until there's a document stating these magazines are in the government's eyes what the factory describes them as, they'll sit in a legal grey area.
If Alexander Arms contracted CAA to make magazines for their rifles, then yeah, they're CAA mags. But that doesn't mean the magazines haven't been designed, tested for and intended for use in a .50 Beowulf upper.
Fair enough, but if you're an RCMP lab tech, and you have a CAA .223 magazine on your bench, clearly designed for an AR15 in .223, and an Alexander arms .50 Beowulf magazine, and, from a physical inspection, they're the same, what's your determination going to be?
If the magazine is designed for an AR15 rifle, and bears no significant design elements that would make it different in order to accomodate a different caliber, then, it's clearly a magazine designed for .223 in an AR15 rifle....
That's all I'm getting at, and, I think it's part of the point you were making with respect to how important the design/marketing/manufacturing of a .50 beowulf magazine needs to be.
I think as we all know, any .50 Beowulf magazine that is full length, and doesn't have a .50 specific follower is playing with fire, as, the follower is part of what makes up the specific design elements that would differentiate a .223 magazine from a .50 magazine....
We also know that the .458 and .50 need a larger cutout in the front and rear, but, this in and of itself isn't a proprietary feature, as, it can simply be a modification of an existing magazine body.
If your magazine is clearly sized, and relieved to accomodate the larger diameter round, then your body is good to go, but, if you use a follower that is already established as being designed for other calibers, then, that is where I think you get into a grey area.
And, as we all know, .50 specific followers don't always feed the last round or two properly when using a caliber other than the .458's and .50's....
If your magazine is clearly sized, and relieved to accomodate the larger diameter round, then your body is good to go, but, if you use a follower that is already established as being designed for other calibers, then, that is where I think you get into a grey area.
And, as we all know, .50 specific followers don't always feed the last round or two properly when using a caliber other than the .458's and .50's....
How can we give these guys some credit? As of 2 days ago no one here knew they existed other then you which somehow got some of their mags before they are released to the public for sale. You are actively saying they are great. We only have your word for that matter. I like to take things with a grain of salt.
Well with me being the suspicious type I would think you are affiliated with company somehow and indirectly advertising these mags for them on CGN free considering you and this new company that no one has ever heard about are both from New Brunswick.
Its also interesting this new company hasn't purchased any account whatsoever with cgn to promote their new product which is in massive demand here. I mean if you want to sell your product, advertise it where people know about it and desperately want it.
Also how would you know how they were designed? Did you contact them and ask them? Did they tell you that when you received your mags before the rest of Canada did?
I wouldn't touch these mags with a ten foot pole for a long while yet. Everything points to fly by night so far in my opinion. I will wait for my AA version or the NEA ones that are being worked on.
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This is where design drawings from Alexander Arms are vital. If the manufacturer of the rifle clearly states that the magazine must look a certain way, then that has to be taken into account. If Bill Alexander signs off on your drawings, then you're gtg. If not, well, that's one less tool available to you to make this project fly.
You're not the least bit curious to know that CAA Tactical is based out of Isreal? Also, if they're "stamped", vs. Embossed (like a PMag), that as easy "secondary" operation, so as to enable a manufacturer to label a common product for different applications....
CAA 30rnd 5.56 magazines are designed/marketed at 30 round 5.56. I was super interested in getting some of the AA ones when I saw them, but, from what I can tell, they've simple taken a 30 round CAA 5.56 mag, and had it stamped .50 Beowulf.... They've then been pinned to 5.8 rounds for import into Canada.... Grey area. Aweome? Yes. I'm still of the opinion that it all comes down to the follower and marketing, as, a single stack magazine wouldn't rely on a follower with a bump designed to impart a stagger....
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