Got out to the range today with my new .50 cal AR mags.

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1. You can't compare these to 10 round pistol magazines. Apples to oranges.
2. You can't compare these to pinned full capacity magazines. Again, apples to oranges.


On the surface these are completely legitimate 5 round magazines, as, there is no need for pinning as they're designed to hold exactly 5 rounds of ".50 caliber" ammo.

The problem is this: the manufacturer née to be able to prove beyond a doubt that the magazines were designed 100% from the ground up to accommodate a new calibre so that they can be considered a new product designed to meet a need. If they compromise that design in any way by using components for a different calibre, the case can clearly be made that these magazines were simply made to work around the current magazine laws which state that magazines capable of holding more than 5 rounds be pinned.

What I just simply can't get my head around is why the very first review of this product was done with a 5.56/.223 rifle. The manufacturer obviously owns a .50 Beowulf or .458 SOCOM, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to thoroughly test/prove the design. Why wasn't this upper provided to Trevor for his review, along with bonus footage demonstrating how they also can hold/feed other caliber's?

It's simple really. While the manufacturer claims these magazines are designed for .50 calibre, they've failed to actually demonstrate it. While I'm thrilled to see someone put up the cash to provide us with an alternative, I'm deeply concerned that they've gone ahead and shot themselves in the foot so to speak by not controlling the initial marketing properly.

One things for sure. One of the owners of this company had better damn well actually own a .50 or .458 upper and be able to prove that it was instrumental in the design of the magazines. I fear that if that isn't the case, and the only documentation for verifying the design revolves around 5.56/.223 cartridges, then we're gonna have a whole bunch of people facing jail time....
 
What I just simply can't get my head around is why the very first review of this product was done with a 5.56/.223 rifle. The manufacturer obviously owns a .50 Beowulf or .458 SOCOM, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to thoroughly test/prove the design. Why wasn't this upper provided to Trevor for his review, along with bonus footage demonstrating how they also can hold/feed other caliber's?

It's simple really. While the manufacturer claims these magazines are designed for .50 calibre, they've failed to actually demonstrate it. While I'm thrilled to see someone put up the cash to provide us with an alternative, I'm deeply concerned that they've gone ahead and shot themselves in the foot so to speak by not controlling the initial marketing properly.

^ Glad someone said it, I've been holding off on the exact topic.

Basically I was considering contacting PCV to see if they were interested in commercial sales, then the very next day we see a video demo where it only focuses on 5.56/.223. This isn't 100% horrible but we have in vid 1 from the OP from 3:31 to 3:39;

"I know the guys, but I'm not associated with the guys. They're a company, they gave me some mags to test, I'm testin them and puttin the review out there for you."

Right there is what put the breaks on this for me. If I plan to order 1000 or more mags and be appealing for Western shipping (because lets face it their shipping rates are horrible) for a company to knowingly give you the mags can be seen as an endorsment of the review you will do. They know you, likely know you don't have a .50 beo upper to perform the test with yet knowingly gave you the mags to perform the review with a 5.56/223. This can very easily be seen as an endorsement of this video and de facto company advertising, and at the very least get the order to have the mags pinned to 5 rounds 5.56. You can see how this would make a person a little hesitant for an investment in their mags. I honestly wish that we didn't live in a country with such horrid mag laws, but this rings the alarm bell of the S&W M&P 15-22 .22lr pistol mag fiasco for me where a simple case of advertising gets a mag designed for a entirely different purpose neutered.

I have no problem with the marking, I understand the law for design vs capacity of another caliber, and I choose to believe that during the design process they consulted with the RCMP. Where this turned sour for me is them giving you the mags for review assumably knowing that you would be doing the review on 5.56. This is the step where PCV could very well have shot themselves in the feet in a business scence, and for now I can't commit to a single mag.

Great vids OP, and really you do good reviews so +1 there. I too am thrilled to see another alternative to a .50beo mag on the market and I'll watch this as it develops and perhaps should it stay on the market over a period of time I'll return to the thought of a commercial mag order. For now however from a business perspective this is a risky move to say the least, as I fully expect the mags to fall under review due to improper advertising.

Just my thoughts on the matter and I'll go back to watching and not further derail your thread. Again OP great vids.
 
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Every time I read these kinds of threads and hear both sides of the discussion I get this sinking feeling that all this .50 mag stuff may result in new rules whereby we will loose our LAR mag use in rifles. :(
 
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