see this is where the product gets sold for me. you are right, as far as I can see. most mags are marked .40cal only...
Got out to the range today with my new .50 cal AR mags.
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see this is where the product gets sold for me. you are right, as far as I can see. most mags are marked .40cal only...
Well, it wasn't presented to them on a silver spoon from the government & the RCMP didn't do any thinking for them. I assume that is what the whining is about - a lack of government involvement in the firearms industry.
Well everyone is just concerned because the government always has to have there hands in our pie to see if it tastes good before letting us eat it. So when they don't get that permission before taking a bite they are scared there will be repercussions by there ruler for doing so. They are just scared that without permission they will be punished by the law, because the government is so picky and inconsistent with what they allow.
Those magazines are proprietary to a specific firearm that is chambered in .40 S&W. The manufacturer decided to label their proprietary magazines by the general calibre by design. The big difference from this magazine and those factory ones is that the OEM magazines come with the gun and are labelled as such. What firearm is this magazine designed for? What calibre is that firearm? To date I'm not aware of a generic ".50 Calibre" naming convention for any firearm.
Let's go about this from a different angle. Say you designed a magazine and hypothetically called it a magazine for firearms in the ".600 smoke and mirrors" calibre, a calibre in which no firearms in Canada are registered, but coincidentally it fit 30 rounds of 5.56mm and coincidentally fit into an AR15. Don't you think the government would be a bit suspicious of your magazine? Dealing with these ".50 calibre" magazines is the same thing. All I'm saying is that it's risky buying into things that that can be easily interpreted by law enforcement as illegal.
cancer I think some guys just want these so bad that they just don't care if its legal or can't comprehend what will happen if things go south. The very fact that the mfr went under the RCMPs noses to avoid having to get them approved like pinned mags is concerning because the RCMP do not know about them. Its hard to say how they will react to them when they start showing up in property searches. Pinned mags have gone through the proper channels and came out as an RCMP approved magazine. There's no risk. These are very vague both in the magazine markings and the website description ".50 caliber cartridges such as .458 SOCOM" I'll wait for the upcoming approved designs. Hopefully no one has to prove these in court.
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Go to court for what? Police failing to understand the law? The old maxim "failure to understand the law is no excuse" doesn't just apply to us. I get that court is costly and the crown has unlimited assets to make someone's life hell, but these mags aren't groundbreaking stuff, there are plenty examples already in circulation with no issue and even special bulletin 72 from the RCMP themselves.
Mags are not subject to approval by the RCMP. The firearms act just says mags designed for use in a semiauto center fire rifle must only be able to accept 5 rounds and mags designed for use in a handgun must only be able to accept 10 rounds.
Mags are not subject to approval by the RCMP. The firearms act just says mags designed for use in a semiauto center fire rifle must only be able to accept 5 rounds and mags designed for use in a handgun must only be able to accept 10 rounds.
So when buddy pins his long lost and recently found ak magazine to 5rds so the rcmp doesn't bust down the door and start cracking skulls, is actually still at risk until he takes that magazine to the rcmp to have it properly verified as a pinned magazine with the RCMP's stamp of approval?
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You already know he wouldn't so why be obtuse? If said guy was importing said AK mags for sale in Canada or if he was MFRing them for sale in Canada then its a different scenario from your example and follows the same precedent as any other pinned mag. I can see you're desperate for these things and just won't accept that there may be legal issues with them.
May I ask how they went under the RCMPs noses?
What do you think? You seem to understand what happens when firearms owners are targeted by the justice system but you still want to run out and buy grey area magazines? If the RCMP have not approved this design then its all up in the air. If an LEO decided its a prohibited device and they wanted to take it to court then you know what will happen. Its happened before and it will happen again. Will it happen with these? Who knows but who wants to be the guinea pig who finds out? You TrevirF? You Lone-wolf? Are your licenses and gun collections so worthless to you guys that you just couldn't care less if they get taken away? The last thing I would want to see is you guys losing your rights, possessions, freedom and money over something like this. That's why I think they are a bad idea unless they were marked .50 Beowulf. Its all up to interpretation and unfortunately its not the citizens interpretation that dictates what we can and can't do or own. If enough guys have issues with it maybe you guys should take a harder look.
Thought processes are really running low tonight. Pinned mags require RCMP approval. TrevorF stated these don't need any RCMP involvement because they are mfr'd to only hold 5 RDS.
You are correct. But which specific centrefire firearm were these magazines designed for?
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You don't require approval from the government to have pinned magazines, to produce them or even to import them (CBSA will say otherwise, but there's no law saying you must). But you cannot have prohibited magazines without the proper licence. These over capacity magazines in particular appear to carry greater risk of being declared prohibited devices.
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As per the manufacturer: "these magazines are designed to hold 5 rounds of .50 Beowulf or .458
SOCOM".
Same reason why the 7615P mags were a no go because "it accepts standard AR magazines". The 7615 mags were not sent to the RCMP for approval. The ruling stated that the 7615 was designed to accept standard AR mags, therefore the mags were not designed for a center fire pump action, which of course have no magazine capacity.
I get what you guys are saying, and I would be apprehensive if this was 2006, but honestly if someone was charged for possession of prohibited device by an LEO, it would be tossed out of court. The mags are designed to accept 5 rounds of .50 Beowulf or .458 SOCOM.
There is nothing else to the matter.
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Don't buy these and buy the $250 ones instead!
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