Why people complain they cannot dryfire .22LR?
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I'm aware of how peening works. The majority of the damaged chambers posted are still very much functional. Some clearly need the bur removed.
My, High Standard "The Victor" Hamden, Conn.
Look at the damage at 1:00 o'clock position.
If I allow the firing pin to strike the breech face it pushes metal ino the chamber, and you have problems with feed and extraction. An unfired shell will no longer just drop in, but will get scored by the raised metal as it is pushed in, scraping the projectile and brass case.
Again, a touch with a file and the bur is no longer an issue. I'm presuming your pistol still functioned aside from the feed and extraction issues? I stand behind my statement that any firearm that damages itself via the firing pin is of poor quality. The sample pics above are a very small sampling of some millions of rimfire firearms. The issue is far less of a problem then some would have you think.
TDC
turbo_bird
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Wow, so now you admit that a firing pin can damage the chamber, but it is easily fixed and shouldn't matter, because it just makes the gun not feed or extract properly? I'm sure there are countless more pictures of similar damage to rimfires on the internet, these are just some of the clearer ones that I could find with about 5 minutes on google images, and I suck at googling stuff.
Kristian
Hilarious. Gunsmith suppliers sell a little tool for taking out that chamber bulge for a reason. A handfull of dryfires probably won't hurt it, but repetition over time will result in that little dent. (Except in guns with pin disconnects, etc...). Price point or quality is no indication of firing pin design.
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From the Ruger Website FAQ:
This applies to MKIII pistols...dunno about earlier versions. I shoot a MKII, but I'm not going to dry-fire it in any case. When I want to drop the hammer on an empty chamber, I pull back the slide a fraction of an inch and pull the trigger. Maybe it isn't necessary, but even the Ruger faq notes that damage _might_ occur over time. Doo what you want, folks....I know what I'm going to do.
This applies to MKIII pistols...dunno about earlier versions. I shoot a MKII, but I'm not going to dry-fire it in any case. When I want to drop the hammer on an empty chamber, I pull back the slide a fraction of an inch and pull the trigger. Maybe it isn't necessary, but even the Ruger faq notes that damage _might_ occur over time. Doo what you want, folks....I know what I'm going to do.
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I have both MKII and MKIII. The firing pins and stop pins look the same, so I am pretty sure both are safe to dry fire. But I have found pictures of Ruger firing pin stop pins that were bent from too much dry firing, and then the firing pin can hit the chamber edge and damage it. Definately not something I want to make a habit of with any gun. This is a picture of a Ruger MKIII that is supposed to be safe to dry fire.
Kristian
Would you care to explain to all of us here how you plan on getting a file inside the chamber of your rimfire to clean out the bur as you call it? You are aware of nothing and just want to shoot your mouth off about something that you have proved to the rest of us here that you really do know less then nothing about what you are talking about.
Graydog
The guns that get peened aren't really all that expensive or something to go gaga over IMHO. I have a S&W 41 and an Anschutz 1712 and dry fire them once in a while. If I damage them, who cares, I'll just replace them.
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A Smith & Wesson 41 you don't care about?? Send it my way before you bugger it up..
Like I said, when the bur is/was removed it functioned fine yes?
Anything can be damaged or broken, that's not the question. The question is whether or not dry firing on any level let alone a lot will cause enough damage to be of concern. Based on the photos above, it appears some need to do a better inspection when cleaning. Such a bur shouldn't get so pronounced before being addressed.
Gunsmith suppliers(which are just another business) also those fancy gunsmithing blocks for pin removal and bore guides. Neither of which are necessary. They will sell whatever people are willing to buy, they have little interest in selling only what's necessary for any given task.
Its called a jewelers file and they fit nicely. If you're brave and steady enough a dremel or similar rotary tool with a stone bit works just fine.
TDC
Reasonable people will draw their own conclusion as to whether or not its worth bothering with snap caps and avoiding dry firing, or whether they would like to disassemble their firearm to get access to the chamber and perform repair work. I would not recommend using a dremel, nor can you simple remove the burr from the breach face with a file. The part of the burr that causes the biggest problem is the metal displaced into the chamber itself. Go easy on repairing the chamber, not something you want to do even periodically.
Once again TDC's is giving advice about nothing he has experience in, jeweler's files and rotary tools on a rimfire chamber. First he says the risk of damage is BS, then that a firing pin can't displace metal, now he's an expert on using a rotary tool to repair the damage that couldn't possibly occur.
Once again TDC's is giving advice about nothing he has experience in, jeweler's files and rotary tools on a rimfire chamber. First he says the risk of damage is BS, then that a firing pin can't displace metal, now he's an expert on using a rotary tool to repair the damage that couldn't possibly occur.
TDC you are a bit lost on this topic, most of us are wise and know what to avoid to prevent these needless repairs in the first place, please stop spewing your crap on CGN! The damage is right there in black and white (colours to 
) dry firing some rimfires may damage your firearm possibly causing downtime and unnecessary repairs!
) dry firing some rimfires may damage your firearm possibly causing downtime and unnecessary repairs!
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turbo_bird
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I thought it was supposed to be impossible for the firing pin to do any damage at all? And that the nonexistant damage was no big deal? Now it's just a simple matter of watching for it when it inevitably does get damaged and then cramming a dremel in the chamber and removing the burr? Thanks for the advice. Would it maybe be better to just not do the damage in the first place?
Kristian
Grizzlypeg and MET you both walk in soft ground. You are dealing with the Universal Rules of the Universe here. You might even be tinkering with the Laws of Theoretical Physics. Let me explain.
In TDC's world there is but one handgun...that is the Glock. All other handguns are unreliable POS. Revolvers are relics of the past. If you were in his Universe then you would realize TDC is correct. There are no pictures of Glocks, just POS pistols. One premise falls to the other don't you see. Ergo any pistol, other than a Glock is POS and certainly worthy of peening and the Dremel treatment if you have skills using one. If not go for the jewelers file. What harm can you do????
TDC one of attributes of maturity among men is the ability to put your hand up and say I was wrong. You will find the older you get the easier it is to say and do. With some, the need becomes more frequent with age. By any measure your first statement was .....well in error. The fact you remain attached to the absolute is somewhat surprising given the number of times you fall on your own sword. As a result of your post, one poster took the time to post pictures of the damage caused by dry firing and some will heed the dangers while other will continue to pee on the electric fence expecting a different result.
Take Care
Bob
Well wrote Bob, this is one of the best answers to a complete IDIOT'S posting that I have read in a long while. You really have to wonder how TDC passed his firearm's exam to get his pal. On the whole there are a lot of great people on this forum with lots of great info. as well. But every once in awhile a real winner shows up. Thats not bad enought but this one just can't stop proving to everone who reads this post just what a JEM he really is.
Graydog
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Graydog, i'd have to take issue with some of what your saying. TDC's post often (not always) have some very solid factual basis. His critique on the CZ 75 was very interesting, and mentioned several valid point's i've noticed, but not seen in print elsewhere. I do believe he is incorrect on his statements about rimfires, but then i enjoy old rimfire target pistols.
What is disappointing is that the good information disappears into the emotional loading that accompanies it. He does have a habit of raising blood pressures and straining patience with the way he states his opinions. I wish it would tone down a bit, but i always read his posts as there IS good solid information there 99% of the time. I just mentally filter the bits that raise the ire....and sometimes have to laugh, he does write well...he just doesn't use his powers for good Hopefully i don't get flamed as a TDC supporter (double )
What is disappointing is that the good information disappears into the emotional loading that accompanies it. He does have a habit of raising blood pressures and straining patience with the way he states his opinions. I wish it would tone down a bit, but i always read his posts as there IS good solid information there 99% of the time. I just mentally filter the bits that raise the ire....and sometimes have to laugh, he does write well...he just doesn't use his powers for good
Hopefully i don't get flamed as a TDC supporter (double )turbo_bird
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I grew up on a farm and watched a neighbour kid do that. I almost snotted on my keyboard at the memory when I read this.
Kristian
