Far fewer 97's made it into hands than Swiss rifles that have been available for over a decade.
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Swiss Arms rifles being examined for reclassification?
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Far fewer 97's made it into hands than Swiss rifles that have been available for over a decade.
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Hated for over a decade & the past 18 months of review and nothing's happened. I think that speaks to the legitimacy of the non-restricted & restricted status of the rifles. It seems they're stuck & they're looking to demonize & rationalize an OIC - not just for Swiss Arms, but for other rifles as well. Strangeday warned us long ago of this impending doom. We all need to go hard and put pressure on the CPC & sue to delay/prevent it for as long as possible. I'll hold on to mine until the bitter end. They're great rifles.
IIRC, someone estimated there to be a thousand Swiss Arms rifles in Canada. At today's retail prices, that's at least $4 million and another 4 million to track, collect & destroy them. Every Swiss Arms owner should take the RCMP to court just to add to the cost. RCMP either f'd up, is scamming or a bit of both.
IIRC, someone estimated there to be a thousand Swiss Arms rifles in Canada. At today's retail prices, that's at least $4 million and another 4 million to track, collect & destroy them. Every Swiss Arms owner should take the RCMP to court just to add to the cost. RCMP either f'd up, is scamming or a bit of both.
The more costly the better, the more rifles out there the better and every Swiss Arms owner should fight and go kicking and screaming all the way. If everyone rolls over and turns them in, then there will be many more re-class actions in our future!
The Pandora Box has already been opened with the previous re-classification T97A, BD-38, AP-80... and all hell didn't break loose. Owner surrendered their possession, and went back to their daily lives...
Try billions. How the hell is the gov going to track down what doesnt exist. If every swiss owner made things just a tad bit more difficult they might just make the process so expensive the gov dumps it.
If any get reclassified, the Gov't doesn't have to do anything. Just prosecute every time one turns up. Remember that these are not being used to commit crimes - there is no pressing need to confiscate them. Public safety is not at risk if they are not tracked down. Turn your rifle in and get compensation, and lose it. Bury it in PVC, it is just as lost; not as if it can be taken out and used.
abbynormal
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Let's not lose sight of things -
Swiss Arms can only be reclassified for two reasons:
1. Can be easily converted in F/A in a reasonable amount of time - WITHOUT a machine shop.
(Not gonna happen - the F/A trigger group won't fit into our lower, AND the bolt would need to be machined)
2. Not a Prohib Variant
(This is where Swiss Arms has to prove it's case re: 540)
If there really was a converted rifle found - well, that's not really our concern as this is not what we all own. What we legally purchased over the last decade was very definitely a purpose built semi-auto, not some exception that somehow found it's way to our shores.
I think we're all pretty safe on this one - as long as S/A is clear re: the rifle's bloodline.
I also kinda think the RCMP would like to avoid any kind of action on this kind of scale if possible also ...
In my opinion ...
Swiss Arms can only be reclassified for two reasons:
1. Can be easily converted in F/A in a reasonable amount of time - WITHOUT a machine shop.
(Not gonna happen - the F/A trigger group won't fit into our lower, AND the bolt would need to be machined)
2. Not a Prohib Variant
(This is where Swiss Arms has to prove it's case re: 540)
If there really was a converted rifle found - well, that's not really our concern as this is not what we all own. What we legally purchased over the last decade was very definitely a purpose built semi-auto, not some exception that somehow found it's way to our shores.
I think we're all pretty safe on this one - as long as S/A is clear re: the rifle's bloodline.
I also kinda think the RCMP would like to avoid any kind of action on this kind of scale if possible also ...
In my opinion ...
the_klenzer
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Oh, so they went by EE rules then?
I believe that is only the case with a sample the RCMP had, not for the entire line. It seems like an anomoly came into the system and because of that they are looking at the whole line even though the SAN rifles were purpose built S/A only recievers and bolts.
I still can't believe that F/A is such a big ####ing deal for people. Like seriously, it is the stupidest boogie man argument. All F/A does is waste money and lower accuracy. Accuracy by volume only. It just scares the hell out of the bed wetting hippies.
I still can't believe that F/A is such a big ####ing deal for people. Like seriously, it is the stupidest boogie man argument. All F/A does is waste money and lower accuracy. Accuracy by volume only. It just scares the hell out of the bed wetting hippies.
Why would they care how much it costs? They will be spending our money to do it.
Remember how much they spent on the LGR just because they were too stubborn to admit it was a failure?
As a classic green owner I sure hope this goes our way, I really don't want to have to turn mine over.
The RCMP/gun grabbers hav their PR machine running full tilt now. I just watched a story on Global last night where the RCMP are condemning all of the evil non restricted semis out "on the streets". Don't kid yourselves, with the disolving of the registry, the RCMP will not rest until they have found (or fabricated) a reason to grab every gun they can.
globalnews.ca/news/581949/outdated-gun-rules-pose-risk-to-public-safety-secret-government-report-warns/
globalnews.ca/news/581949/outdated-gun-rules-pose-risk-to-public-safety-secret-government-report-warns/
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just another classic case of people in the firearm biz ####ing over other people in the firearms biz, call me stupid but even after 10+ years of doing this I still a little shocked at how many times a year I see this done.
we are our own worst enemy...
Its sad.
we are our own worst enemy...
Its sad.
Mauser GDog
CGN frequent flyer
Helpful, thanks Steve & TV Press Pass.
The Classic Green was the next rifle on my wish list, and I've got a good chunk of the cost squirreled away already. Buying one right now is scary but exciting at the same time, it would mean committing myself and my money to the outcome of this circus act. We have to take a stand at some point.
The Classic Green was the next rifle on my wish list, and I've got a good chunk of the cost squirreled away already. Buying one right now is scary but exciting at the same time, it would mean committing myself and my money to the outcome of this circus act. We have to take a stand at some point.
Mauser GDog
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So if I'm reading that article and the referenced emails clearly, the problem rifle ESF 9116 was bought by a CGN member from a retailer other than CSC or TSE, unless they imported it themselves(?), who then traded it in at TSE, and it ended up at the CSC who then took it to the RCMP.
I assume the emails in the article were both sent to CSC?
The 2nd article is not dated, but it reads as though it was the first email received. It ends with;
"RCMP – Specialized Firearms Support Services would like to finalize this matter in a timely manner. If we have not heard from you by 2013-06-30, it will be assumed that you have no information to contribute."
The 1st email dated May 24, 2013 ends with;
"11. RCMP – Specialized Firearms Support Services would like to finalize this matter in a timely manner. If we have not heard from you by 2013-06-30, we will consider that you concur with our findings and we will proceed with action to rectify errors created by erroneous information."
Is it just me or do the emails read like the RCMP is waiting for the business who received those emails, with the help of Swiss Arms to prove that the sample rifles were an anomoly before June 30th, or they are going to side with;
"9. a) The most generous interpretation of our research would be that all the firearms in the list appended to paragraph 2 are prohibited variant or modified versions of the SG 550 rifle or SG551 Carbine as found in the Criminal Code Regulations appended to CC PART III, Section 84 (1), PROHIBITED FIREARMS paragraph 83."
even though it doesn't read as though the RCMP have actually done any testing yet;
"These firearms have not been assessed against the “converted automatic” criteria nor have these firearms been assessed as to ease of conversion to full automatic fire capability. On that note the firearm serial number ESF9116 appears to be a purpose built semi-automatic receiver, while the two other firearms, serial numbers ESF74361 and a Swiss Arms, Model Classic Green (stripped) receiver, serial number ESF73096 appear to have been converted into semi-automatic firearms from full automatic receivers."
Is this at all a clear understanding of the article?
I assume the emails in the article were both sent to CSC?
The 2nd article is not dated, but it reads as though it was the first email received. It ends with;
"RCMP – Specialized Firearms Support Services would like to finalize this matter in a timely manner. If we have not heard from you by 2013-06-30, it will be assumed that you have no information to contribute."
The 1st email dated May 24, 2013 ends with;
"11. RCMP – Specialized Firearms Support Services would like to finalize this matter in a timely manner. If we have not heard from you by 2013-06-30, we will consider that you concur with our findings and we will proceed with action to rectify errors created by erroneous information."
Is it just me or do the emails read like the RCMP is waiting for the business who received those emails, with the help of Swiss Arms to prove that the sample rifles were an anomoly before June 30th, or they are going to side with;
"9. a) The most generous interpretation of our research would be that all the firearms in the list appended to paragraph 2 are prohibited variant or modified versions of the SG 550 rifle or SG551 Carbine as found in the Criminal Code Regulations appended to CC PART III, Section 84 (1), PROHIBITED FIREARMS paragraph 83."
even though it doesn't read as though the RCMP have actually done any testing yet;
"These firearms have not been assessed against the “converted automatic” criteria nor have these firearms been assessed as to ease of conversion to full automatic fire capability. On that note the firearm serial number ESF9116 appears to be a purpose built semi-automatic receiver, while the two other firearms, serial numbers ESF74361 and a Swiss Arms, Model Classic Green (stripped) receiver, serial number ESF73096 appear to have been converted into semi-automatic firearms from full automatic receivers."
Is this at all a clear understanding of the article?
CarbineOne
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Would you blame the guy who called the cops, or the people who broke into the house in the first place?
Yes, that's what it first looks like, until you really think it through. Some bone head was bringing in converted autos. That's not JR's fault. What would you do if you ended up with C/A that you couldn't resell? This was a real boneheaded move by someone.
Was it not the TSE who worked on the original FRT for these? It should be no trouble for them to come up with the required documentation to end this once and for all.
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