Recoil

Ganderite said:
I find the M44 kicks me harder than the #5. I suspect it is a function of kick and how the rifle fits the person.
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I totally agree with your take on the fit of the rifle to the person shooting it.I no longer have it,but one of the meanest rifles I ever shot any amount of rounds through was actually a Model 95 Mauser carbine in 7X57 caliber.It didn't matter how I tried to hold it when shooting but the front top portion of the butt used to always crack me in the cheek bone,actually used to bruise my face at times.Of the surplus rifles I have on hand now I would say the M95 carbine in 8X56R seems to me to be the hardest kicking with full power loads,much more pleasant to shoot when fired with handloads that are throttled back a bit.
 
The K98k with Turkish surplus ammo is pretty rugged off a bench and the Lee Enfield NO.5 is unpleasant. Recoil is a funny thing and has a lot to do with stock geometry and area of the butt (the rifle's not the shooter's). A friend of mine had a pre 64 Model 70 Winchester in .257 Roberts(a mild round) and he claimed he would much rather fire his 7mm magnum Sako than the model 70. The .257 weighed over 9 lbs. scoped and he couldn't understand why it kicked so hard, maybe a tight bore?
 
I agree that the fit of the rifle to the shooter is a big factor. I find the No5 much worse than the M44 Mosin. Another one is the K98 in 8mm. I can shoot one with the cupped buttplate without any unpleasantness but when I shoot one with the earlier flat buttplate it seems to smack me on the cheek every shot. I've never fired an M95 Styer so I can't comment but I would say that the Enfield No 5 is the most unpleasant to me.
 
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I don't find my No5 that bad, offhand. Prone hits pretty hard. Most painful I've had was a M1917. Sold it because I didn't want to shoot it. Two shots would leave bruises. I don't find any of my Lee-Enfields to be that bad, nor my Rosses.
 
red_bailey said:
That number is how fast the rifle is smacking you back; we already know that the bullet is flying out at some 2.800fps or so.
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:redface: paint me embarrassed. Antiqueguy usually has reliable info, so when I heard 10fps I thought he's lost it! One could brew tea waiting for the magically suspended bullet to reach a 400 yard target! lol. Laugh2

Sorry boys, carry on, nothing to see here.




Antiqueguy, I will never doubt you again...today, that is;)
 
I have a no 5, an m44 and a yugo 8 mm m48 mauser. The m44 kicks pretty hard using surplus, the no 5 shooting fn made 174 grain ammo isint to bad and 8 mm mauser shooting yugo 1950's yugo 198 grain ammo is more of a push then a shove. Maybe I just like a little bit of pain???
 
plinker 777 said:
Brother, at 10fps it would take a projectile from the .303 a full 30 seconds to reach a 100 yard target. I'm confident human beings can run faster than that.

100 yards x 3= 300 (how many feet per yard), 300' divided by 10fps= 30 (time required to travel 100yrds/300ft)

I'm just as confident that the recoil is much closer to 40lbs than 14.

Just my nickels worth.
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nope its 13lb with mk7 ammo with 10fps recoil velocity take a look at bear tooth bullets recoil calculator
 
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The Dutch had a cavalry carbine 98 Mauser with an 18 inch barrel. Makes No.5s and M44s downright pleasant to shoot. Also US Krag carbines with the 220 grain bullet. You definately know you've done something when you pull the trigger.
 
Try a Natal Native Infantry 18" barrelled Martini-Enfield carbine shooting cordite loads. The pattern of the buttleplate oiler flap can be seen on the shoulder of the unwary for about three weeks.

GP11 in a K31 is a kicker too, I'm told. That 174gr bullet at 2650 fps leaves a lasting impression on the 'loose-gripped' holder..... Me, I long ago got past noticing it.

tac
 
My wife uses an add-on Lee-Enfield No.4 muzzle brake. It simply pulls over the muzzle and straps on the bayonet lug. You hand tighten the screw and you're good to go. She uses them on her No.4(T)'s and finds a recoil reduction of at least 50%. She's able to shoot for hours without tiring and makes a day out more enjoyable, although I suppose technically it's cheating as compared to shooting them the way they were issued. :D

Put WTB ads on various milsurp boards and keep your eye on eBay for them...

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Regards,
Doug
 
BadgerDog said:
My wife uses an add-on Lee-Enfield No.4 muzzle brake. It simply pulls over the muzzle and straps on the bayonet lug. You hand tighten the screw and you're good to go. She uses them on her No.4(T)'s and finds a recoil reduction of at least 50%. She's able to shoot for hours without tiring and makes a day out more enjoyable, although I suppose technically it's cheating as compared to shooting them the way they were issued. :D

Put WTB ads on various milsurp boards and keep your eye on eBay for them...

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Regards,
Doug
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a muzzle brake on a .303 what's next one on a .22lr
 
Was in at Cabela's a while back, saw a tricked-out all-TACTIKOOL .22 with....... a muzzle-brake.

Yes.

NOT everyone is a Hero and able to soak up unlimited recoil without consequences. I don't like being beaten about the range, either.

Think it's just about time to start looking for one of those things.

THEN figure out how to make one for my rack of SMLEs.

Thanks, Badger Dog!
 
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