Where to find stripped AR-15 lower receiver?

[alberta tactical rifle]

I don't care for the Cadex white lettering either, the pricing is a bit more affordable on a CDN made receiver though. $550.00 for the stripped ATR receiver seems like an extremely high price, sure the marks and serial numbers wont rub off but ATR claims that some fitting might be required when installing LPK's, does this mean the machining isn't to precise or are most milspec LPK's out of spec?

Our lowers are made to a FAR more precise tolerances and spec's than virtually any on the market. You will NOT find any variance in our lowers from 1 to another.
With some of the proprietary improvements we have made to the AR, such as the right side bolt release and the capturing of several springs, our lowers are just a little bit more tricky to assemble them than the milspec ARs do, hence we offer at NO COST to instal the LPK for you, be it 1 we provide or 1 you do, just to ensure that everything is correct and functional. It is not rocket science to put together 1 of our lowers, but the springs that have been captured require being shortened. We have the jigs to do this to the correct lengths which saves YOU the consumer potential aggravation.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

I'm not spending 2200$ of my money on a upper and lower from a dealer that's bringing said firearm to the attention of Ottawa as questionable manufacturing processes. You may be able to afford to throw away 2200$ but I have no interest in losing that kind of money and zero interest in doing business with any company that's throwing its customers under the bus in such a way.

What's really hilarious is how your willing to take the chance given the current situation with Swiss Arms, Kris's Vector and 858 possible reclassification. Any dealer kicking over stones that could lead to confiscation is extremely alarming and disappointing. Given the current circumstances people should be engaging there brain before opening there mouths about questions that could impact firearm owners across Canada.

Given your posts in this thread your reaction is just brand loyalty towards Alberta Tactical. How loyal would you be if there questions resulted in you losing your hard earned money?

What I find rather funny is your total lack of the facts.
It we ATRS who brought out the fact that the Swiss Arms rifles were under review due to another dealer forcing the RCMP to re-examine, all the while every other dealer EXCEPT us kept their mouths shut and kept selling them without advising the customer of the potential ramifications.
I can only assume the $2200.00 number you are throwing around is for the ASA matched AR10 upper/lower assembly we have for sale that I pointed out was laser engraved. I mean come on how much more transparent can we be?

 

[Epoxy7]

Our lowers are made to a FAR more precise tolerances and spec's than virtually any on the market. You will NOT find any variance in our lowers from 1 to another.
With some of the proprietary improvements we have made to the AR, such as the right side bolt release and the capturing of several springs, our lowers are just a little bit more tricky to assemble them than the milspec ARs do, hence we offer at NO COST to instal the LPK for you, be it 1 we provide or 1 you do, just to ensure that everything is correct and functional. It is not rocket science to put together 1 of our lowers, but the springs that have been captured require being shortened. We have the jigs to do this to the correct lengths which saves YOU the consumer potential aggravation.

They are nice lowers but there are two issues with them. The first is the price is high. The second is the ambi mag release doesn't have the protective well indicating it was designed from the start to be ambi. That was an oversight. Otherwise great quality. If the price was less I may have gone that route for my ADCOR rifles.

But at current pricing it then becomes a ATR lower or KAC? If at the same price point or close to it once you put all the parts in, then for me the KAC would win in most situations.

I actually opted for the HERA HLS. It's true ambi and also exceptional quality. The price has however gone up since I bought mine and they are hard to get. But that being said they were around $200 less for a made in Germany 7075 billet lower. They have the same ambi bolt release as the ATR with a protected ambi mag well. They are also top quality. They come with the ambi bolt release installed, and a nice SS hex nut for the pistol grip. No complaints with this one.

I should add that I don't really care if the serial number is laser engraved or not. It meets the requirments. Heck I have a Winchester/Cooey 600 that has a sticker for the serial number. The laser engraving appears it will only come off if deliberately tampered with. Which is a criminal offence. If someone is willing to do that, then they are just as likely to pick up dremel tool with a grinder attachment or acid destroy the serial number if it's engraved. Doesn't really matter either way neither is tamper proof. Both are permanent unless purposely altered.

 

[mildcustom2]

What I find rather funny is your total lack of the facts.
It we ATRS who brought out the fact that the Swiss Arms rifles were under review due to another dealer forcing the RCMP to re-examine, all the while every other dealer EXCEPT us kept their mouths shut and kept selling them without advising the customer of the potential ramifications.
I can only assume the $2200.00 number you are throwing around is for the ASA matched AR10 upper/lower assembly we have for sale that I pointed out was laser engraved. I mean come on how much more transparent can we be?

Let me see if I am understanding you here. And by all means correct me if I'm wrong. You have now brought out the fact you at one time questioned the use of laser engraving a receiver with make, model and serial number with Ottawa, CFC, CFO Technologist or whatever. And because I happen to come across this thread were you have pointed out this concern you raised you feel you have brought it to my attention responsibly. Yet in the email where you quoted me on the ASA upper and lower combo you made no reference to this concern.

How have you been responsible and helped me out here then?

I don't care wether you raised this question in 2008, last year, last week or yesterday. There is no need to be kicking over stones looking to do harm to our already limited industry.

Now because you've raised this concern I have written off purchasing an AR10 upper/lower made by these manufactures. I'm not gonna spend 5000$ on a custom build just to potentially lose it. You questioned it once in the past, who says you won't bring it up in the future if your sales for your own manufacture of lower or receiver don't pan out.


When it comes to bring certain issues to the attention of said authorities regarding firearms, less is more in my opinion.



And Epoxy7, your knowledge of AR's is impressive. Thanx for the great contributions here on the forum.

 

[VanIsler]

Panties. Knot.

I won't even come close to think of responding for Rick as he'll be doing so himself I'm sure of it, but I've got a little birdie who tells me that the reason he would ask is if it's indeed acceptable manufacturing practice by ANYONE, then he may choose to do so too, thus cutting his production costs down significantly per unit (or per his words "ALOT less" then machine engraving), thus selling his product for less.

It's hilarious that you've taking his questioning of the process itself right to him throwing under the bus another Canadian producer. How many times on this board have you seen the "I know this guy" speech, just so to not self-identify or identify someone else in writing for all to see. Do you not think that simply asking if the process is acceptable, by naming what it is, wouldn't get the question understood by the lab rats in Ottawa? Really, you went and connected one and the other in a instant?

What TSE did is despicable, that we can all agree on.

Good thing Cadex settled that patent infringement or they may not have been producing at all anymore!

Bull ####! He clearly questions and names other manufacturers in his post. He clearly stated he doesn't believe they meet the standard and his lowers do. He also tried to convince Ottawa of this and when shot down was disappointed. ATR is as bad as TSE. Shame.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

Bull ####! He clearly questions and names other manufacturers in his post. He clearly stated he doesn't believe they meet the standard and his lowers do. He also tried to convince Ottawa of this and when shot down was disappointed. ATR is as bad as TSE. Shame.

Where are you getting this CRAP from?? Have you been on the pipe a bit too much lately?

How did "He clearly stated he doesn't believe they meet the standard and his lowers do" I simply asked the RCMP lab whether laser engraving was acceptable PRIOR to starting production of our own guns. In 2008 laser engraved firearms were in their infancy and I wanted to ensure we were covering our bases. The RCMP told me it was acceptable and as you see today many guns come with laser engraved data, so OBVIOUSLY this is accepted practice, at least for now.
I OPTED to machine engrave rather than laser as at that time (2008) the UN Marking protocol was being pushed hard and I decided to avoid any possible issue in the future for our guns.

Where do you get THIS crap as well? "He also tried to convince Ottawa of this and when shot down was disappointed."
Were you party to any of the conversation? NO! So in fact you have absolutely no clue at all, just a big mouth that runs out sewage by the bucket.
IF you have any proof of your allegations I am ALL ears!

Let me spell this out loud and clear for you. AT NOT POINT DID I EVER TRY TO CONVINCE OTTAWA OF ANYTHING. Unlike J.R. who purposefully sent guns to the RCMP for a determination.

I asked a single and simple question, it was answered, I moved on. No debate, no trying to convince anyone of anything. NOTHING was shot down, hence disappointment was never in the equation, and frankly I could care less how a gun is marked.
The UN Marking protocol still rears its ugly head every year and "MAY" effect some folks whose guns are non compliant if it ever is passed. I think this is something that folks should know about as EVERY year they (the U.N.) keeps trying to sneak it into becoming law in many countries.

PLEASE If you are going to post things, at least get the facts straight and quit spewing sewage.

 

[dogzilla]

Ibtl

 

[K1ng C]

Bull ####! He clearly questions and names other manufacturers in his post. He clearly stated he doesn't believe they meet the standard and his lowers do. He also tried to convince Ottawa of this and when shot down was disappointed. ATR is as bad as TSE. Shame.

Seriously dude wtf are you talking about? You cant just make #### up and say someone said that. Give your head a shake and re-read all the previous comments and then ask yourself.."how did i even come to these conclusions"

 

[Leibermuster]

I fail to see what ATR did wrong here....

Everything you do when manufacturing Firearms has to be documented and approved by RCMP Lab...

 

[C77]

This has derailed far enough.