Teaser Snapshot of the CSR Interarms Sporting rifle

[mdmaroon]

I just bought an SVT 40. If I modify it by welding up the gas port so it's no longer semi-automatic, do I have to notify the CFO that my SVT 40 has become a straight-pull bolt action? I mean legally, do I have to?

 

[sewktbk]

I just bought an SVT 40. If I modify it by welding up the gas port so it's no longer semi-automatic, do I have to notify the CFO that my SVT 40 has become a straight-pull bolt action? I mean legally, do I have to?

Thats actually a great question. Whats good for the goose...

 

[tiriaq]

Can't see why you be under any obligation to report this alteration.

 

[daniel_250r]

what if i modified it to only take valmet parts? it would still be a csr and using non restricted action

 

[fenceline]

Can't see why you be under any obligation to report this alteration.

From the RCMP website. Not law, but still gives some insight...

Firearms Verification

Restricted or prohibited firearms must be verified by an approved verifier if:
•they are being registered for the first time; or
•they are being transferred to a new owner and have not previously been verified; or
•they have been modified so that their description has changed; or
•the Registrar requests that they be verified to confirm their description or classification.

Licensed firearms businesses will need to have an approved verifier on staff for inventory that needs to be verified. A business can arrange to have an employee trained and approved as a verifier by calling 1-800-731-4000.

It mentions nothing about non-restricted guns. So, assuming the CSR is confirmed as non-restricted, and one were to modify it to semi auto while ensuring the parts of the gun remain in the realm of a non-restricted classification (ie barrel length and OAL), it would appear that would remain non-restricted.

Bit of an assumption based off their website.

That being said, if one were doing this as a business venture, one would need a firearms business licence I would think.

 

[tiriaq]

This is all interesting speculation, until actual rifles become available. Even first class mechanical drawings would be helpful.

 

[762mm]

Can you explain how cycling the action manually would improve the accuracy of the gun?

Consistency + longer range due to gasses not escaping through the gas port, as per what I've read long ago in some articles about these types of rifles (I believe it was a Gun Digest of the mid-nineties that did a special article on these "little known" battle rifles and they went into all these details). Although grenade launching would also be a function for the gas shut off valve, obviously.

As for Swedish AG's, I do know that there are at least two variants out there and one of them (I think) does have a gas shut off valve... the early ones do, I believe.

 

[Don Kael]

As far as I can see (and I will go read some more Regulations to try to pin it down), the only stipulation is in the Firearms Registration Certificates Regulations (SOR/98-201 S.4(2)), where you must notify the Registrar of a change to the action of a fire-arm. Verification, Firearms Identification Numbers, the Registrar, these are all things that apply only to Certificates, and per the Firearms Act S.12.1, there are no Certificates for Non-Restricted. The FRT system is a handy database for the border and police agencies, but it is not a pre-requisite for a gun to exist; I'm sure somebody reading this has some obscure European single shot .22 that has never been entered in the FRT, but is perfectly legal to Possess.

Provided you haven't moved it into Restricted or Prohibited class due to barrel length, over-all length, automatic operation, or whatever else, it should be legal to modify a fire-arm into semi-automatic from a manual action. If you accomplish this by installing parts from a Kalashnikov or named Variant, good luck arguing it hasn't become an AK variant. The authorities at any time have the power to say they need to examine your guns because you've been doing evil things to them, or lying about what they really are, and send them off to the lab. Even if it's just a question of is the OAL 660,1mm or 659,9mm you'd be amazed at how they can drag it out. Malicious, bad-faith, harassing treatment to be sure, but hard to get a judgment of such.

I doubt that this rifle yet to be introduced could be easily modified. If it is do-able, people will post it on here and we'll all be excited, but the RCMP read the board too, and you can bet they'll send out a directive to look out for modified CSRs.

From the RCMP website. Not law, but still gives some insight...



It mentions nothing about non-restricted guns. So, assuming the CSR is confirmed as non-restricted, and one were to modify it to semi auto while ensuring the parts of the gun remain in the realm of a non-restricted classification (ie barrel length and OAL), it would appear that would remain non-restricted.

Bit of an assumption based off their website.

That being said, if one were doing this as a business venture, one would need a firearms business licence I would think.

Given that this rifle is supposedly coming with a 16" barrel, lets say it was possible to convert to semi auto, it would be kicked into the restricted class. Thankfully AK barrel's aren't completely impossible to change, however... whether this Interarms Sporter would take a blank 18.6" AK barrel or not is yet to be revealed.

 

[fireball]

what if i modified it to only take valmet parts? it would still be a csr and using non restricted action

It's the reciever that dictates the Valmet, its parts aren't controlled.

 

[sewktbk]

It's the reciever that dictates the Valmet, its parts aren't controlled.

Just like AK parts aren't.

 

[sewktbk]

Guys, I was just on the phone with a firearms technologist from the CFC.

In short, I got confirmation that if a non-restricted bolt action rifle is modified to become a non-restricted semi-automatic rifle, it DOES NOT need to be verified again, nor does it need a new FRT#.

What matters in the classification of the firearm is the type of action it was designed and manufactured as.

I should get the confirmation in writing shortly, and will post a copy-paste of the email.

 

[fenceline]

Guys, I was just on the phone with a firearms technologist from the CFC.

In short, I got confirmation that if a non-restricted bolt action rifle is modified to become a non-restricted semi-automatic rifle, it DOES NOT need to be verified again, nor does it need a new FRT#.

What matters in the classification of the firearm is the type of action it was designed and manufactured as.

I should get the confirmation in writing shortly, and will post a copy-paste of the email.

Interesting. Very interesting.

 

[Iceblood]

Guys, I was just on the phone with a firearms technologist from the CFC.

In short, I got confirmation that if a non-restricted bolt action rifle is modified to become a non-restricted semi-automatic rifle, it DOES NOT need to be verified again, nor does it need a new FRT#.

What matters in the classification of the firearm is the type of action it was designed and manufactured as.

I should get the confirmation in writing shortly, and will post a copy-paste of the email.

Thanks for your initiative!

 

[AK]

Well then. .

 

[TRich]

Time to party!!!

 

[Gmwebs]

wait... so everyone is going to be running around with legal semi-auto Ak's ?

 

[sewktbk]

wait... so everyone is going to be running around with legal semi-auto Ak's ?

Technically, yes.

Since the firearm has been built and approved as a bolt action, if the receiver remains identical, even the importer could technically just sell semi-autos that have been manufactured using the same "BA" receiver, without the need for new verification/classification.

Or he could just sell "semi-auto modification kits".

Either way, this means we should have a semi-auto version of this rifle without any hickups.

Now, all we need are proprietary magazines for the bolt action that hold 30 rounds. Dare I dream?

 

[Travis Bickle]

Guys, I was just on the phone with a firearms technologist from the CFC.

In short, I got confirmation that if a non-restricted bolt action rifle is modified to become a non-restricted semi-automatic rifle, it DOES NOT need to be verified again, nor does it need a new FRT#.

What matters in the classification of the firearm is the type of action it was designed and manufactured as.

I should get the confirmation in writing shortly, and will post a copy-paste of the email.

Well I'll be damned.

I was wrong!

Mind you, the barrel is 16" so a semi modification would render it restricted

Interesting......very interesting.....

 

[Marcelm]

Just need confirmation from Urban Tactical or Trigger Wholesale on the availability of conversion kits

 

[4307]

Technically, yes.

Since the firearm has been built and approved as a bolt action, if the receiver remains identical, even the importer could technically just sell semi-autos that have been manufactured using the same "BA" receiver, without the need for new verification/classification.

Or he could just sell "semi-auto modification kits".

Either way, this means we should have a semi-auto version of this rifle without any hickups.

Now, all we need are proprietary magazines for the bolt action that hold 30 rounds. Dare I dream?

I can see maybe 15 rounds for the bolt action version.