Oh god 223 prep is so long, I wish I had a super 1050 with rt1200b trimmer.

Kryogen said:
so is the giraux worth it or should I get the dillon unit?
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The Dillon is loud and should be hooked up to a shopvac while in use... Shopvacs are loud too.

I have found the GIRAUD to be an excellent trimmer.
'Have done 1000's of pieces and have yet to re adjust the cutter.
Like others have said, trims and chamferrs/deburrs in one step.
Brass shavings/chips collect for easy disposal... The machine does make some noise, but is far quieter than the Dillon option.
 
I prep my brass in batches of 50, or 100 when I have no other reloading projects on the go, my prepped and primed .223 case stash is always ready for me when it's time to load bulk plinking ammo, lyman 55 takes care of powder charges,
all done on a single stage press, no case tumbler, no complaints with bulk ammo. I complain when I load match/precision ammo however, that is tedious.......
 
Love my Dillon 650XL with the dual toolhead setup - one with the 1200b trimmer and one with everything else. I just use their SuperSwage and pump out a thousand rounds while watching a movie. Easy peasy.
 
my only issue with the giraud is handling the brass one more time, which is exactly what I do not want to be doing.
Same thing with the super swage, it's a fine piece of equipment and it's fast, but it still takes time to swage all brass while it would be done automatically on the 1050.

If not considering the swage part, is the 1050 worth it over the xl650 or not that much? I plan to reload a few calibers, like 300 win mag, 223, 308, 9mm, 45, etc. I think going 1050 will cost alot more and offer few benefits. opinion?
 
Kryogen said:
my only issue with the giraud is handling the brass one more time, which is exactly what I do not want to be doing.
Same thing with the super swage, it's a fine piece of equipment and it's fast, but it still takes time to swage all brass while it would be done automatically on the 1050.

If not considering the swage part, is the 1050 worth it over the xl650 or not that much? I plan to reload a few calibers, like 300 win mag, 223, 308, 9mm, 45, etc. I think going 1050 will cost alot more and offer few benefits. opinion?
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Sounds more like you are looking for someone to try and convince you to settle for less.
 
Kryogen said:
Takes so long to clean 1000 brass, then deprime, then swage, then resize, then clean again, then trim, chamfer, debur.....

Could all be done so much faster on a super 1050 :|

The super swage is fine, it's just that even if it's super fast, you still have to handle all of those 1000 brass one at a time and pull the lever. jeez.

I figure, start with clean and primed brass, then it gets deprimed, then lube die then trim and size, then swage, then at the end you have brass that is resized, swaged and trimmed. all you need is a pull of the lever per brass.
then clean again, and then onto the powder bullet and crimp head.

Any opinions? I'm just lacking 2000$ to put into this.
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Kryogen said:
my only issue with the giraud is handling the brass one more time, which is exactly what I do not want to be doing.
Same thing with the super swage, it's a fine piece of equipment and it's fast, but it still takes time to swage all brass while it would be done automatically on the 1050.

If not considering the swage part, is the 1050 worth it over the xl650 or not that much? I plan to reload a few calibers, like 300 win mag, 223, 308, 9mm, 45, etc. I think going 1050 will cost alot more and offer few benefits. opinion?
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It looks like you have already identified the tooling you need, and the reasons for needing it.

You are right, it's not cheap.

However, it's a one time expense that pays you back forever.
Every time you save an hour, it's money in the bank.

In your shoes, I'd probably tackle this in a few chunks.

1) Buy the 1050 in whatever caliber you figure you will use the most, with one spare conversion kit and tool head. For argument sake, say .223 Rem (Carbide) and 9mm
2) Add the trimmer, the second priming system. A third tool head perhaps.
 
I just finished prepping nearly 2000 pieces of brass with the lee zip trim. I vow to never do that again. Went through 2 case gauges and shell holders. The first gauge got a flattened end and was cutting brass .030 too short. the second one's case holder got worn and would make cases wobble in the zip trim.

Has anyone tried any of the drill mounted trimmers like the Possum hollow kwick trim or the WFT (worlds fastest trimmer)?
 
"...Could all be done so much faster on a..." Case prep takes the same amount of time with any press. And Lapua brass doesn't alter that.
You shouldn't need to trim every time either. Check case lengths and trim 'as required' only.
 
sunray said:
"...Could all be done so much faster on a..." Case prep takes the same amount of time with any press.
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You must be missing something.
Swaging, lubing, resizing and trimming, with auto case feed, in one pull of handle per case and no manual handling. Beat that?
 
As for the 1050 thing, I might buy one one day if I just reload one caliber on it. For now it seems too expensive for my needs. I reload maybe just like 1000k 223 per year and for now maybe 1-2k 9mm also, so I think a 2000$ press is overkill.
Messing with it and all the adjustments of the swaging rod, primer set, etc, to reload multiple calibers seems like a hassle to me and I do not really see the advantage.
Maybe if I had one for 223, one for 9mm, and one for 45.... but still. I do reload 223 and 9mm mostly for now, but I would like to eventually do 45.
 
I was thinking of getting a 1050B exclusively for .223 since it can swage the primer pockets.
I already have the Hornady LnL AP Progressive with case feeder and bullet feeder.
I also already have the Dillon RT-1200

A friend who owns a 1050B warned me about using mixed headstamp brass and swaging issues.
He invites me over to try his and see what I thought of it.

My conclusion is that if I don't sort the brass I will not get the desired results so I will stick with my current setup.

I keep all of my own already processed brass separate from range pickup.
This way I only swage brass that I never processed before.

Round 1 deprime in station #1 with A 223 sizer die backed out to decap and push the ball through the neck.
Dillon RT-1200 in station #3 to trim and size brass

Wet tumble brass which removes all brass trimmings and removes the slight burr from the neck.

Round 2 Prime, Powder Charge, Place bullet, Seat, Crimp.
 
How do you like your dillon 1200? Any issues with it?
thump_rrr said:
I was thinking of getting a 1050B exclusively for .223 since it can swage the primer pockets.
I already have the Hornady LnL AP Progressive with case feeder and bullet feeder.
I also already have the Dillon RT-1200

A friend who owns a 1050B warned me about using mixed headstamp brass and swaging issues.
He invites me over to try his and see what I thought of it.

My conclusion is that if I don't sort the brass I will not get the desired results so I will stick with my current setup.

I keep all of my own already processed brass separate from range pickup.
This way I only swage brass that I never processed before.

Round 1 deprime in station #1 with A 223 sizer die backed out to decap and push the ball through the neck.
Dillon RT-1200 in station #3 to trim and size brass

Wet tumble brass which removes all brass trimmings and removes the slight burr from the neck.

Round 2 Prime, Powder Charge, Place bullet, Seat, Crimp.
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I consider the dillon 1200 or the giraud.
I prefer the idea of a clean chamfer and debur, but I also prefer the idea of not handling the brass twice.
Why doesnt dillon make a 3 way cutter like everyone else?
 
did_b said:
I just finished prepping nearly 2000 pieces of brass with the lee zip trim. I vow to never do that again. Went through 2 case gauges and shell holders. The first gauge got a flattened end and was cutting brass .030 too short. the second one's case holder got worn and would make cases wobble in the zip trim.

Has anyone tried any of the drill mounted trimmers like the Possum hollow kwick trim or the WFT (worlds fastest trimmer)?
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I have run 8000(ish) cases through the WFT.....

I don't even want to think about going back to a lathe style trimmer!
 
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