S&w m&p 9

1ShotKing said:
Still not sure what to do. My dealer has the M&P 40 in stock, sold the last 9 a few days before I got there. I am somewhat tempted to get the 40 just because it doesn't appear to have the known accuracy issues that the 9 has. From what I've read the 40 is quite manageable in the M&P. Looking for more opinions.
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The recoil in the 40 is substantially greater and harder to control than with the 9.

It depends on your intended purpose and what you prefer. Having shot both, for me, I'd go with the 9. I use it for IPSC competition, and that's what I train for. If we were in the US and other applications were sanctioned. I would have had to think hard about the 40.
 
enefgee said:
Wow, I'm really sick of hearing about the "known accuracy issues" with the M&P - pretty much the same way I'm kind of done with hearing that every Gen 4 Glock won't eject. If your M&P shoots low and left, it's not the gun. If you buy a new production M&P - not one from 18 months - 2 years ago, it won't have any accuracy issues, because they actually changed the barrel design to improve accuracy with heavier bullets - specifically 147 grain.
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I agree, mostly. But in my opinion the redesigned barrels haven't been around long enough to conclusively say that the accuracy issues are resolved. All the evidence we have so far says that they are fine, but it will take more time before S&W can regain the market trust that they lost by rushing the initial run of M&P9s. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and all that...

My M&P9 (newest production redesign), for example, took well over 1000 rounds before I considered it broken in properly. It was worth it for me, because I was willing to make it work, but I can see why that would be a major turnoff for someone. Visually, the lockup surfaces on my pistol are not confidence inspiring, but it seems to work okay now (~3000rds). But this doesn't compare favourably to the clean lockup that I see on every Glock that I've ever crossed paths with. And for the record many gen 4 G17s do have what I think is problematic ejection. So did my M&P, for that matter, but tuning the extractor fixed it.
 
I have my mp9 range kit for sale, it is in the EE section.
The gun is the newest gen, with the new sear and sear block and updated frame, audible reset from Factory old mp's have different frames depending on caliber. Lots of info, sorry.
Anyway, you are worried about accuracy, mine works great and made a video of it shooting 25 yards, got 3-4 inch groups. Has only 300 hundred rounds through. It's like new in the box. Selling it to get another Sig. Really wanted to try the MP so I bought one, it is great I like it as much as Glock, but I am not a polymer guy.
Sorry for hijacking your thread. Send me a PM if you are interested.
 
enefgee said:
Wow, I'm really sick of hearing about the "known accuracy issues" with the M&P - pretty much the same way I'm kind of done with hearing that every Gen 4 Glock won't eject. If your M&P shoots low and left, it's not the gun. If you buy a new production M&P - not one from 18 months - 2 years ago, it won't have any accuracy issues, because they actually changed the barrel design to improve accuracy with heavier bullets - specifically 147 grain. The first barrels were designed and set up to shoot 115 and 124 grain bullets, when used with 147 grain bullets there were timing issues (unlocking of the barrel) and stability issues. With my old style (defective?) worn out (?) barrel I can put a full mag into a 3x5 card at 15 yards, standing unsupported. If you buy a new M&P9 the worst "issue" you will run into is the mag follower getting stuck, the easy way to avoid that is to place each mag in your pistol (before buying it) with the slide forward, lock the slide back and push the mag release. If all mags drop freely, you're golden. Incidentally, 40 S&W isn't an inherently accurate cartridge - that's why there are no bulls eye guns in 40 (true story, has to do with diameter vs length and stabilization). Of course I've never met anyone who could shoot well enough to be able to say that 40 is inherently inaccurate, and I've met Rob Leatham and Jerry Barnhart.
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I agree with you!
 
thehook92a1 said:
I have a lot of fun with mine.
never had one problem with it.
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Same here. I bought mine 3 or 4 years ago and haven't had any trouble at all. Except for one batch of problematic "remanufactured" ammo I purchased from a retailer, the gun has always functioned flawlessly (I have never bought that stuff again and have experienced no stoppages since). I just ran over 200 rounds of various reloads through it a few days ago without so much as a hiccup.
 
+1 M&P 9. I love mine. It's fired everything I've put through it. I generally use American Eagle at the range, but very frequently use Wolf, and Blazer aluminum. Knock on wood, never had a single issue with any of them.

Cannon
 
every gun has a bad review. bottom line is you can't believe on what you read on the internet. You gotta try for yourself and educate yourself, then you will be able to judge.
I bought an MP and I am not selling due to bad internet REP, just because I am over polymer guns.
 
My 2007, yes it is an early one that cost $550 with a $50US rebate and two additional free mags, has never given me an ounce of trouble. I have to think it has 10K on it now and it runs like a clock. I have two PROs and a 40cal FS all of which just go bang and hit where the sights are pointing, which sometimes corresponds to where I thought they were aiming.:>). My advice to anyone now considering a M&P is gto ensure you get one with a 1 - 9, some say 1 - 19 twist. It does make a difference when shooting 147 gr bullets. My 9MM guns, with the slower twist rate will not stabilize a 147 gr bullet, period.

I am not sure if it is possible but I think it is time to see if I can order the newer barrel for my PRO. If annyone from the warranty center wants to chome in here and let me and othes know if it is possible to order a new barrel chime in.

Take Care

Bob
 
enefgee said:
they actually changed the barrel design to improve accuracy with heavier bullets - specifically 147 grain.
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This is some very interesting information. I will definitely get few more boxes of 147gr to try out. I did test 115gr, 127gr and 147gr when I first get my M&P9. However, I was a crappy shot that time and can't tell the difference in accuracy. I do, however, feel the 147gr is a bit easier to shoot but dont really know why.
 
alpining said:
My M&P9 (newest production redesign), for example, took well over 1000 rounds before I considered it broken in properly. It was worth it for me, because I was willing to make it work, but I can see why that would be a major turnoff for someone. Visually, the lockup surfaces on my pistol are not confidence inspiring, but it seems to work okay now (~3000rds). But this doesn't compare favourably to the clean lockup that I see on every Glock that I've ever crossed paths with. And for the record many gen 4 G17s do have what I think is problematic ejection. So did my M&P, for that matter, but tuning the extractor fixed it.
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As a 3 months old M&P owner, can you please educate me how do I know if the gun is broken in?? What makes it broken in?? Thanks.
 
GarDian said:
This is some very interesting information. I will definitely get few more boxes of 147gr to try out. I did test 115gr, 127gr and 147gr when I first get my M&P9. However, I was a crappy shot that time and can't tell the difference in accuracy. I do, however, feel the 147gr is a bit easier to shoot but dont really know why.
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At the same power factor vel x weight of bullet the heavier bullet will generate less felt recoil. By all means try out the 147 gr
cartridges or just stick with the 124gr bullets. Accuracy will vary with the commercial ammo but a constant will be the 1 - 18 twist in the original M&P's before the change, will not stabilize a 147 gr bullet worth a hoot and the mechanical accuracy of the gun will not be as good as it would be with ammo of the same quality using 124 gr bullets.
I have heard a monkey of given enough time could write a book and any gun may produce an excellent group once in awhile but on balance physics and design will prevail.

Take Care

Bob
 
This is from my second time out with my new (latest model with new sear block) M&P 9, using Wolf 124gr TMJ. Mind you, it's only from 3 metres, but I'd say accuracy is pretty good.

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This is from 5 metres, walking back to 20 metres.

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Slow, deliberate shots from 5 metres to 20 metres.

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enefgee said:
Wow, I'm really sick of hearing about the "known accuracy issues" with the M&P - pretty much the same way I'm kind of done with hearing that every Gen 4 Glock won't eject. If your M&P shoots low and left, it's not the gun. If you buy a new production M&P - not one from 18 months - 2 years ago, it won't have any accuracy issues, because they actually changed the barrel design to improve accuracy with heavier bullets - specifically 147 grain. The first barrels were designed and set up to shoot 115 and 124 grain bullets, when used with 147 grain bullets there were timing issues (unlocking of the barrel) and stability issues. With my old style (defective?) worn out (?) barrel I can put a full mag into a 3x5 card at 15 yards, standing unsupported. If you buy a new M&P9 the worst "issue" you will run into is the mag follower getting stuck, the easy way to avoid that is to place each mag in your pistol (before buying it) with the slide forward, lock the slide back and push the mag release. If all mags drop freely, you're golden. Incidentally, 40 S&W isn't an inherently accurate cartridge - that's why there are no bulls eye guns in 40 (true story, has to do with diameter vs length and stabilization). Of course I've never met anyone who could shoot well enough to be able to say that 40 is inherently inaccurate, and I've met Rob Leatham and Jerry Barnhart.
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this is simply not true ,and if any, exactly the opposite. Earlier versions of the mp were extremely accurate with 147's whereas they weren't as much with 115 and 124s.
This has been documented alongside the very famous accuracy posts that are all over the internet. Go ahead and search. You will see that inaccurate MPs all the sudden are good shooter when they were test fired with 147s.

There is no proof whatsoever that a change in the barrel design or barrel twist has something to do with accuracy. This is just Internet MYTH. There are earlier models of the mp9 that shoot great.

The barrel shoulders have been changed, yet, there are videos of Nutnfancy shooting the old design with no problems, so...there is that.

The inaccuracy of the MP comes from the huge tolerances differences in 0.00001 of an inch from one model to the next.
Grab 3 MPs barrels, look down the barrel and please tell if you see the same rifling in each, tell me if you see well defined lands and grooves. The differences are so obvious, that you can see it with a naked eye, differences so BIG that I could not believe it at first, and though it was fouling. A good crown and rifling with a good slide will dictate how well that specific gun shoots. Period.

Mine shoots great, but it doesn't mean yours will.

It is hit and miss and the lack of QC in slides and barrels from SW is enormous, IMHO.
 
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Avenida said:
this is simply not true ,and if any, exactly the opposite. Earlier versions of the mp were extremely accurate with 147's whereas they weren't as much with 115 and 124s.
This has been documented alongside the very famous accuracy posts that are all over the internet. Go ahead and search. You will see that inaccurate MPs all the sudden are good shooter when they were test fired with 147s.

There is no proof whatsoever that a change in the barrel design or barrel twist has something to do with accuracy. This is just Internet MYTH. There are earlier models of the mp9 that shoot great.

The barrel shoulders have been changed, yet, there are videos of Nutnfancy shooting the old design with no problems, so...there is that.

The inaccuracy of the MP comes from the huge tolerances differences in 0.00001 of an inch from one model to the next.
Grab 3 MPs barrels, look down the barrel and please tell if you see the same rifling in each, tell me if you see well defined lands and grooves. The differences are so obvious, that you can see it with a naked eye, differences so BIG that I could not believe it at first, and though it was fouling. A good crown and rifling with a good slide will dictate how well that specific gun shoots. Period.

Mine shoots great, but it doesn't mean yours will.

It is hit and miss and the lack of QC in slides and barrels from SW is enormous, IMHO.
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I have a 2007 version that shoots the lighter bullet just find but won't stabilize a 147 gr bullet, period. It is no internet myth as you state. My two 9MM guns won't stabilize the 147gr bullets nor will three PRO and four FS guns owned by a family I shoot with in Washington. All shoot 124 gr bullets just fine but not the 147 gr bullets. S&W didn't make the change because they had nothing else to do with their money. Too, the Europeans all use the metric equivalent of a 1 - 10 twist in their 9MM guns. Is it a popular number or might there be a reason.

As to your QC opinion how was that derived, by actual measurements of a variety of guns or just a thought. The next thing we will hear on the net is there is a wide variation of tolerances in the M&P slides and barrels based upon what somebody read on the net.

Take Care

Bob
 
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