Is this ammo becoming more rare? S&B 1200 crate.

Brendan10 said:
(Some people advocate using water, when you mix salt with water the salt comes alive and
and becomes very destructive)
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The only problem with this statement is that it simply isn't accurate. People advocate using boiling water, because it washes the corrosive salts right out of your rifle and evaporates shortly after that. I have six SKS rifles (one of which is not chrome lined) and an 858 (also not chrome lined) and I've never used anything other than boiling water and then a normal cleaning and I've never had any rust whatsoever.

Using tepid water is of course a bad idea, but boiling water works just fine and is likely the most common way of cleaning after shooting corrosive ammo - everyone I know who shoots does it, and their bores aren't rusty sewer pipes either.

The whole break cleaner and gun oil and hoppes method may work, but it's certainly not cheaper or any more effective than just pouring some boiling water down the barrel and gas system and then cleaning normally.
 
Stevo said:
Please stop giving cleaning advice. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Speak for yourself, my Norinco SKS is five years old, has had around 3000 rounds of corrosive ammo throught it and its spotless.

Salt rusts cars when it gets trapped in a corner surrounded by mud/dirt, the wet mud wakes up the salt and
it starts eating your car. Now if you lived in a desert the salt would have no fuel.

The high pressure spray from a can of brake cleaner tears any bad stuff of your SKS.


Take a 100K cruising sailboat down to Florida for a year and so what happens to the rigging, through hull
fittings, engine heat exchanger from SALT WATER, watch your re-sale value drop when you return to the
Great Lakes. Same boat left in fresh water will still look pristine.

Now if you have a gum infection then salt water is your best friend because it's good at killing
germs.
 
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CousinTony said:
Since I don't clean my guns unless I have too... So I know what it looks like when you shoot corrosive and don't clean it for a couple weeks... Or months...

And the ammo I bought that looks just like that isn't corrosive

Edit... I don't clean my cheap, old, surplus guns... Unless I have too
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what is the headstamp?
 
I shot off one battle pack, packed two more away in long term storage and kept the last battle pack out... But I don't want to rip into it just to check the stamp. I can tell you that I bought it from a small shop in Brandon and he knew it was non corrosive. I would bet that he got it from wolverine. It was dated '86 on the slip, I think. I bought it more than a year ago but less than two.
 
"...spend my money on..." Reloading equipment makes the endless search for ammo and the best price for ammo go away. And you'll be using better ammo.
 
Andurp said:
The only problem with this statement is that it simply isn't accurate. People advocate using boiling water, because it washes the corrosive salts right out of your rifle and evaporates shortly after that. I have six SKS rifles (one of which is not chrome lined) and an 858 (also not chrome lined) and I've never used anything other than boiling water and then a normal cleaning and I've never had any rust whatsoever.

Using tepid water is of course a bad idea, but boiling water works just fine and is likely the most common way of cleaning after shooting corrosive ammo - everyone I know who shoots does it, and their bores aren't rusty sewer pipes either.

The whole break cleaner and gun oil and hoppes method may work, but it's certainly not cheaper or any more effective than just pouring some boiling water down the barrel and gas system and then cleaning normally.
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I think we posted at the same time so I missed your thinking.

A man shouldn't be hanging around in his kitchen with his dirty rifle cooking water.

I cant imagine seeing Russian/Chinese soldiers in the field cooking water to clean their rifles.

I respect your thinking and mean you no harm but my way is better, sure it's a lot more expensive
1/2 a can of Rem Clean or Brake Cleaner and then tons and tons of oil to soak back into the weapon
and then a major wipe down. To me this is a type of meditation that I enjoy.

Do you use a temperature guage to get the water to just the right heat for
you darling SKS's.

Either way I think you are a smart person to love SKS as much as you do and I think it's very sweet of
you to cook water for them.


Czech ammo is too beautiful for blasting away, save it for when you want to make every
shot count.
 
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Brendan10 said:
Speak for yourself, my Norinco SKS is five years old, has had around 3000 rounds of corrosive ammo throught it and its spotless.
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I put 3k through my XCR in the last year. I use water or Windex to clean it and it hasn't been eroded away to nothing.

Your results don't change the fact that since corrosive primers were invented water or water based solvents have been used to clean up afterwards.

The water doesn't bring the salt "alive" and "make it very destructive", it dissolves it and washes it away.

I cant imagine seeing Russian/Chinese soldiers in the field cooking water to clean their rifles.
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That's what they did. Canadian soldiers, too.
 
I used to think water was not needed until one day enough salts built up and fuzzy rust started growing everywhere. No matter how many times I wiped with g96 or froglube it would come back after a week. And this was with czech86 ammo.
 
The only area to watch for rust is the gas tube assembly and bleed of valve. Sure if you shoot on Saturday and
only clean your gun on Tuesday there will be some tiny fuzzy rust on the gas bleed of valve. Take a rusty bolt
and cover it with oil and put it outside for a year and watch what happens, the rust gets no oxygen.

Sound to me like your using a all in one cleaner, jack of all trades master of none, same as WD40,
dont be a lazy bastard, clean first and then lube, TWO STEPS.

How come my SKS cleaning kit doesnt' have a kettle and pipe with a funnel to pour the boiling water down.
You guys have too many gadgets at home and are bored, buying stuff/shopping has become the new
religion and thats why your all in debt. CBC makes all Christians out to be evil people, dont believe
them.

I'll check on Canadian Military cleaning procedures with a close friend of mine, he attended The Royal Military College
Of Canada in Kingston and then became a officer at the Queens Own Rifles Of Canada and I'll get back to you.
 
Oil doesn't dissolve salt. It's not terribly difficult. It'll probably grab some on the patch and push it out, though.

I use moose milk for cleaning bores - about 20% Ballistol and 80% water, and just push a dozen or so patches breach to muzzle in my SVT or 91/30. The water dissolves the salt and the Ballistol attacks nitro fouling and leaves some oil behind when the water evaporates. I follow this up with solvent to take care of remaining nitro and copper fouling, and then oil. Small parts get hot water, then straight solvent.

No funnel, no, but check out your Russian issue oil bottles. Notice the 2 chambers? One for the solvent - older GI solvents could dissolve the salts - and one for the oil.

Brake cleaner is good, but it's also nasty stuff, and not cheap like water either. I use it for degreasing only.
 
Brendan10 said:
The only area to watch for rust is the gas tube assembly and bleed of valve. Sure if you shoot on Saturday and
only clean your gun on Tuesday there will be some tiny fuzzy rust on the gas bleed of valve. Take a rusty bolt
and cover it with oil and put it outside for a year and watch what happens, the rust gets no oxygen.

Sound to me like your using a all in one cleaner, jack of all trades master of none, same as WD40,
dont be a lazy bastard, clean first and then lube, TWO STEPS.

How come my SKS cleaning kit doesnt' have a kettle and pipe with a funnel to pour the boiling water down.
You guys have too many gadgets at home and are bored, buying stuff/shopping has become the new
religion and thats why your all in debt. CBC makes all Christians out to be evil people, dont believe
them.

I'll check on Canadian Military cleaning procedures with a close friend of mine, he attended The Royal Military College
Of Canada in Kingston and then became a officer at the Queens Own Rifles Of Canada and I'll get back to you.
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Joined in 2008 and all your posts are in the last two months. Check.

Argumentative regardless of info put in front of you. Check.

Name calling and mocking. Check.

Back under your bridge, troll.
 
Stevo said:
Joined in 2008 and all your posts are in the last two months. Check.

Argumentative regardless of info put in front of you. Check.

Name calling and mocking. Check.

Back under your bridge, troll.
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Stevo some people just don't understand, and wont listen. Just leave them bee.
 
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