Schecter 81
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Well, that's a great piece of info!! When it comes to my next build, I am certainly happy to have that info. That's why I love CGN, always a wealth of info on here.
Why I Choose Remington 700 Actions Over Savage Actions for Custom Builds
- Thread starter Bitumen
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I think that you are making a very bold statement, I don't think you nor anybody else could have the statistical information to back your claims of strongest/safest. It is also not inherently accurate, it may be inherently solid but requires a lot of work to be accurate.
There are MANY Remington action builds on this forum that are performing well with tuning. If you true the action, get a quality barrel, new trigger, larger recoil lug, bedded in a high quality stock you will likely have a shooter on your hands. The difference is that savages come that way from the factory for a quarter of the price. This is without any work and you do not need to be one of the elite few who actually KNOW how to gunsmith to make it happen. For all the extra money that is saved you can shoot more, which helps more in the long run. You can also refocus your efforts into better reloading equipment/components, higher quality glass, training or anything else.
The downside to savage is that you won't look as cool at the range and you wont have some long story of all the work you had to do to make it shoot that well. Most range conversations go like this:
Them: "Woah, nice groups, what are you shooting?"
Me: "Savage blah blah blah in blah blah"
Them: "Ahhh, yeah those savages shoot good, my friends got one that shoots blah blah's all day long"
Me: "That's what I hear."
I clearly understand that if you want a rifle to look a certain way you would start a build with a Remington action. There are sooo many aftermarket parts that make it very enticing. Can I easily get a DBM for savage? Starting to come around. Stocks? Not really. Chassis? Starting to come around.
I have nothing against Remington, I'm actually a fan of all firearms. If I could own them all I would. I'm willing to spend the money on accurizing a 700 just so I can get an AICS 2.0 chassis. I've wanted one for as long as I have been shooting. Normally I'm not so vain haha!
In my opinion custom actions are in another world, neither Savage nor Remington can compare. I think in a shooters career they progress into wanting nicer things. They cull the herd of stuff they don't use and end up buying one nice custom rifle they have always wanted (or more for those lucky enough).
gunrunner8
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Lord, you are reading my mind.
"Safest and Strongest" two lug action ever build?
Not if you trying to load the rifle for the follow up shot and all is left in your hand is a bolt handle!
I was lucky I was after a deer....
Ever since (20+ years) I am Remingtonless.
Funny you say Sako and Howa, as I was doing a quick google search titled "rem 700 catastrophic failure" I found 2 sako's and 1 howa but no rem 700's.
2 lug, safest 2 lug... Also a lot stronger and safer than many others with 3,6, or however many lugs. I do agree that Roy's 9 lug system works, but don't have enough experience with them to comment on their actual strength vs rumoured strength.
Well if we are limiting it to two lugs we are taking alot out, and thats just no fun, because obviously safety is now secondary to luggage (ha).
I can honestly say I have never bought a gun based on its number of lugs, or frankly even its reputation for safety, nor did I ever see a customer or anyone else pick those as top points. I have bought guns whose makers make note of design strength etc, like Steyr (4 lugs so its out of contention), but its never been as high on my list as fit and finish, or out of the box performance, or ease of maintenance. But to each thier own.
Eeeek, better swap my Howa for a... hmmm no, I will keep the Howa. God, and I imagine Howa, only know how many 1500s they have made over the years, and likewise I have only seen pics of one failure, undoubtedly due to the owners handloading prowess. Of course they had the bolt assembly recall, but that wasnt about a design flaw related to the actions design, or its two lugs, anymore than Remmies trigger/safety issue is in regards to its lugs. Its a good enough design for Weatherby, RWS, Churchill, Smith & Wesson, Nosler, Mossberg and Lynx (not to mention who knows how many others) to stick their name on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4AqMl1A4aQ
You should be able to find lots of pics of stainless Sakos shredded to bits from the big run of failures about 10 years ago. Mind you A)that was quality control, like bolt handles falling off Remingtons, except Sakos was sulphur inclusions in metal, and B)Stoeger, like any other big gun distributor in the US did an excellent job of hushing it up, not that Remington or other big gun companies use confidentiality clauses in settlements though...
The strength issue just always strikes me as hokum, if you want that get an Arisaka, or hell even a Mosin Nagant. In the world of current rifles I dont see safety margins as a big deal, since no one will be in business long if they are killing thier customers. So I still say, meh. If you actually like the Remmy go nuts, just dont try to sell it as the greatest factory rifle ever.
This is a statement of opinion and can not be proven, especially statistically.
Maybe refine your search, type in Remington Safety Issues. They are so worried about their safety perception they have a dedicated page just to convince you how safe they are.
Nothing against Remington, I think there are chances of failure with any firearm but we still have to be realistic.
All I was saying is I have never seen or herd of a rem 700 ACTION blowing up. There trigger issues are of no concern to me with all the aftermarket triggers you can get, besides what kind of idiot disengages there safety while pointing there gun at someone anyway.
Savage 
It may be a bold statement but if you have knowledge of any 2 locking lug bolt action that is stronger or safer than a 700 action with their patented extractor system, please inform us. I am not aware of any 2 locking lug bolt action that seals a catastrophic case failure as well.
And the 700 action is inherently more accurate than the vast majority of mass produced factory actions. Center fire Benchrest shooters proved that very quickly when the 700 hit the market.
... and it doesn't require a lot of work to be accurate.
The amount of lugs is irrelevant. I think you are missing the point, your statements are unfounded and are solely opinion.
You can make the same assumption that the benchrest shooters adopted the 700 because of price.
If accurizing a 700 costs roughly $250 and you can buy an action alone for $500. I would attribute the additional 50% of the original cost to a lot of work.
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Who found this guy??? Must be a friend of moon moon! 
Your first sentence (The amount of lugs is irrelevant) demonstrates you have no understanding about the design of bolt action rifles and how they differ with 2 or 3 lugs and control gases if a case ruptures.
Your second sentence is your opinion... and I will stick with my opinion. You offer nothing in an intelligent comment.
Your statement "You can make the same assumption that the benchrest shooters adopted the 700 because of price." shows a complete lack of knowledge about Center Fire Benchrest shooters. They could care less about the price, it is all about accuracy... and before there was a selection of custom actions, the 700 became the 'factory' action to use - because of the inherent accuracy. All other things equal, it out shot all other mass produced factory actions on a regular basis.
I have also received a pm warning me about your trolling ... so I will not respond again to anything you post.
Unfortunately you still don't understand what I am saying.
I don't need to know ANYTHING about firearms to know that there is a difference between opinion and fact.
The intent of this dialogue is clarity. Your opinion is completely valid and may ring true to many people but blanket statements can be misleading to uninformed people.
Check my other posts, I don't think I troll.
Post was pretty clear to me. Remington builds an inherently accurate and safe action. Competition history proves the one, commercial history proves the other. Are there better actions for certain purposes out there? Yes, but they are still hard to beat for the money. - dan
Thanks for summing up a collection of his thoughts.
