Yes the PPS-50 is a very sweet gun. I just purchased one and threw a bushnell trophy T-dot on it, such a fun gun. Accurate, reliable, and easy to maintain. Honestly much better than 10/22 I find. 300 rounds later and only one jam.
Mossberg 715t crap or not?
- Thread starter Standingtall
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I've been through the same frustration. I polished inside the receiver and bolt and feed ramp, cleaned up the mag followers, nothing worked. The 25 round mags have been really hard to find the last 6 months or so, but I found some at a local shop and they solved the fte problems, so I bought 2 more, haven't tested those ones yet.
I had every problem you could imagine with mine ... and then some , I tried everything every one told me to do to get it to run smooth. Finally the store I bought it from refunded my money.
That was then short version
That was then short version
Standingtall
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- Victoria, BC
I'm liking the keltec su-22 as well. You can get an AR stock for it to replace the rifle stock pretty cheap..... so many choices
They are good... ish.
We sell a lot at my work, they are very popular, and in terms of volume vs problems it's probably 25 to 1 for issues. At the end of the day it's a 702 Plinkster in a more flexible casing, if you like to modify things, if you like to tinker, it's great.
We sell a lot at my work, they are very popular, and in terms of volume vs problems it's probably 25 to 1 for issues. At the end of the day it's a 702 Plinkster in a more flexible casing, if you like to modify things, if you like to tinker, it's great.
I liked the 702 carry-handle so much , I bought the 715FT too.
I have yet to run into the probs , I see posted , with either of my units and I'm talking over 8000rds thru the 702 and 4000 thru the 715 using a variety of fodder.
The mags have not jammed on me but loading was sticky after the 10th rd or so.
Easy fix with some sandpaper to slightly round the corners of the bottom edges of the follower.
Probs with dropping the mag ?
After the last shot , the bolt moves forward and is stopped by the mag follower. The bolt has to be pulled back and locked so the mag will easily drop.
So , you can count your shots and have a ghost round left in the chamber ( not exactly safe ) or theres another table top fix to the follower.
The top edge of the follower can be cut down to a level just above the mag lips and a beveled edge at the rear . This will allow the bolt to close after last shot . The mag will drop out and a loaded mag inserted , all done using one hand.
I see posts of fellas loading the mags to the limit and leaving them loaded for extended periods of time , thinking this will help.
My question on this is , how does maximizing the compession of the mag spring help at all ?
I won't load any mag from any rifle to it's max , I want that spring to expand properly every time...and they do.
I load up with 20rd in the 25rd mags ( I have 5 of them )...never a prob.
Cleaning is a pain ..no doubt about that , but my rifles work fine after 400 - 500 rds before cleaning anyway.
What I'll do...purists will cringe , but...I'll pick out any visible chunks of guck out of the chamber then I take a squirt bottle of varsol (paint thinner ) and squirt varsol inside my units ( barrel , bolt and chamber) brush and pick out anything in the chamber and briskly work the action back and forth . You'll see the black goo pouring out .
I do not take the rifle apart at all and can be done off the tailgate of my truck
This will help save the possibility of stripping or losing any of the many screws.
Brush and patch the bore
A few drops of oil then a good rinse of varsol again
Takes about 15 minutes.
Then wipe off any excess and set aside for abit to dry. The oil never really gets rinsed out but leaves a very , very thin coat of lube throughout the action.These rifles do not need much for lube at all to operate safely and effectively . Too much lube and it will create the thick black guck which will affect the operation
Sooner or later , I'll need to strip them down but not anywhere near as often.
I have yet to run into the probs , I see posted , with either of my units and I'm talking over 8000rds thru the 702 and 4000 thru the 715 using a variety of fodder.
The mags have not jammed on me but loading was sticky after the 10th rd or so.
Easy fix with some sandpaper to slightly round the corners of the bottom edges of the follower.
Probs with dropping the mag ?
After the last shot , the bolt moves forward and is stopped by the mag follower. The bolt has to be pulled back and locked so the mag will easily drop.
So , you can count your shots and have a ghost round left in the chamber ( not exactly safe ) or theres another table top fix to the follower.
The top edge of the follower can be cut down to a level just above the mag lips and a beveled edge at the rear . This will allow the bolt to close after last shot . The mag will drop out and a loaded mag inserted , all done using one hand.
I see posts of fellas loading the mags to the limit and leaving them loaded for extended periods of time , thinking this will help.
My question on this is , how does maximizing the compession of the mag spring help at all ?
I won't load any mag from any rifle to it's max , I want that spring to expand properly every time...and they do.
I load up with 20rd in the 25rd mags ( I have 5 of them )...never a prob.
Cleaning is a pain ..no doubt about that , but my rifles work fine after 400 - 500 rds before cleaning anyway.
What I'll do...purists will cringe , but...I'll pick out any visible chunks of guck out of the chamber then I take a squirt bottle of varsol (paint thinner ) and squirt varsol inside my units ( barrel , bolt and chamber) brush and pick out anything in the chamber and briskly work the action back and forth . You'll see the black goo pouring out .
I do not take the rifle apart at all and can be done off the tailgate of my truck
This will help save the possibility of stripping or losing any of the many screws.
Brush and patch the bore
A few drops of oil then a good rinse of varsol again
Takes about 15 minutes.
Then wipe off any excess and set aside for abit to dry. The oil never really gets rinsed out but leaves a very , very thin coat of lube throughout the action.These rifles do not need much for lube at all to operate safely and effectively . Too much lube and it will create the thick black guck which will affect the operation
Sooner or later , I'll need to strip them down but not anywhere near as often.
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Gearbanger
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- The Big Nickel, Ontario
Bought the 702 "tactical" a couple years back when it came out. Was not impressed. Cheap, non functioning Fisher Price style plastic clamsheled over a 702 action (with Philips screws no less). Ill fitting loose magazine that was designed with all the quality of an '80's He-Man figure and it that weren't bad enough...the thing was crooked. The action itself was rough and continuously jammed up and after cycling it back a few times, I could see it was full of metal filings. Needless to say, it never even left my living room. I boxed it up and sent it right back
It fits the "cheap" criteria just fine, but that's about it. Comparing it, to my SR22 was like comparing a Yugo to a Ferrari. The rifle was that bad!!! You really get what you pay for with the Mossbergs. I dig their shotguns, but everything else rubs me the wrong way.
Of course...this is just my .02. Opinions vary
It fits the "cheap" criteria just fine, but that's about it. Comparing it, to my SR22 was like comparing a Yugo to a Ferrari. The rifle was that bad!!! You really get what you pay for with the Mossbergs. I dig their shotguns, but everything else rubs me the wrong way.
Of course...this is just my .02. Opinions vary
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- B.C. (southern interior)
I got a flat top in December ish ... It had some serious issues with jamming bought 3 extra mags did not help... March it went in for warranty and It's still there. 4 Months into the warranty ordeal I bought a SR22 sufficiently scratching the tactical 22 itch.
Fairly certain mine is going to end up as a WTS/WTB on the EE if comes back in a decent working condition. So my opinion, If you got the scratch go a little higher end.
Fairly certain mine is going to end up as a WTS/WTB on the EE if comes back in a decent working condition. So my opinion, If you got the scratch go a little higher end.
You guys must have got a really good batch.. At my club, I met 3 people who owned them. 1 worked great, 2 had all sorts of problems, ftf, fte, light strikes... They got rid of them in short order. One got a 597 and the other a 10/22. With that being said, I'm working with a smaller sample but it didn't instill confidence in me.
I had one and sold it to buy a JR Carbine. Great decision. The 715 never gave me problems, but it felt cheap and cleaning it sucked.
If you're getting one to see if you'll like the AR, I wouldn't. It's nothing like an AR, except the look... from forty feet away when you've had a six pack or two.
If you're getting one to see if you'll like the AR, I wouldn't. It's nothing like an AR, except the look... from forty feet away when you've had a six pack or two.
Ontario Hillbilly
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- Parry Sound
Looked at one at the gun store, the moment I held it I decided it is not for me, felt more like a toy than a firearm.
Gearbanger
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- Location
- The Big Nickel, Ontario
For reference sake. This is what my 702T looked like apart. That's all plastic clamshelled around a stock receiver. It couldn't have been any more cheaply made.
The 715t is an utter joke; the only firearm I wish I had never purchased.
The quality of this firearm is absolutely dreadful; it is manufactured in Brazil, and not the USA. It consists of two pieces of cheap plastic held together with 60 million wood screws, and an action, when dissembled, looks like a chunk of pot metal with a lousy spring. It also has severe reliability issues; every single person I know and have seen at the range with these things has the EXACT issues I have with mine; fail to eject, fail to feed, action deforming the rounds, etc;
The garbage 25 round mags, as if a cruel joke is being played, are two pieces of the same cheap plastic secured around a bottom cut 10 round mag with 40 million wood screws.
Do it right the first time if you want a mall ninja 22; get a 10/22 w/kit, SR, or M&P. The 715t is a very low quality product that Mossberg slapped together to cash in on the tacti-cool trend, nothing more.
I have been shooting the 715T and its pretty good! Its a 702 plinker, period with a kit. same as a stoick 10/22 with a kit...etc or a 597.... U cant argue, 25 rounds ar look and only $300! with full rails adjustable stock. And its no different in weight as a Marlin 22 semi or a stevens or remington. YES its light, but its NON restricted, a SW u cant shoot at the farm, and its simple for beginners and ladies to handle. Gotta love the bolt lock, on such a budget rifle its a cool feature.
I like it and all my friends now want one also.
Oh i own 2x 10/22, 1x Marlin 60, and even a CZ just incase anyone is wondering.
YES its light, but its NON restricted, a SW u cant shoot at the farm, and its simple for beginners and ladies to handle. Gotta love the bolt lock, on such a budget rifle its a cool feature.I like it and all my friends now want one also.
Oh i own 2x 10/22, 1x Marlin 60, and even a CZ just incase anyone is wondering.
Schmitty19
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- Windsor Area
What more could you ask for at this price? Does mine jam up once and a while..sure.. but it looks cool and is very accurate. Here's mine
Mine has been flawless. No fte or ftf at all. Surprisingly accurate too. Having said that, it feels like a toy, only not as well put together as an airsoft gun. Does anyone else hate how you cannot slide anything on to the rear rail, it has to clam-shell on, or no go. I had a set of magpul mbus sights, but no way in heck to get the rear on.
Hahaha for the money its fine u can get a sr 22 then spend anither 1000for barrel trigger etc or live with it mine works fine but im able to do some minor polishing etc and clean up the mags i tbink some guys on here r haters and maybe wont admit how much money they spend on simaler 22s so they recomend it to others so they dont look crazy ....just a thought as i said mine work fine fir what it is a cheap 22but u can spend thousands ti shoot at tin cans if u want if yiur shoiting small game look at other choices these r for fun i think not trying to insult anyone but a 10/22in a clamshell is the same plastic crap as my mossy just more aftermarket parts to make it shoot well wich it should out of the box ...cheers
