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Glock advises against it.
Closing Slide on an empty chamber
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Glock advises against it.
http://www.10-8performance.com/pages/1911-User's-Guide.html
Hilton Yam:
But "the worst thing you can ever do to a gun"?
It's not THAT bad. It's not a great thing to do. The gun store employee is (in a SHOCKING twist) armed with a little bit of knowledge.
Also, it's got nothing to do with the notch on the slide.
Hilton Yam:
But "the worst thing you can ever do to a gun"?
It's not THAT bad. It's not a great thing to do. The gun store employee is (in a SHOCKING twist) armed with a little bit of knowledge.
Also, it's got nothing to do with the notch on the slide.
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Lets put it this way...if you drop the slide on an empty chamber on one of my semi's like some slack jawed mouth breather, I'd slap the taste outta your mouth lol
. Its like going for dinner at someones house and spitting on the table...very rude, disrespectful and just should never happen.
Etiquette when handling someone elses toys is not a nicety...its a requirement.
. Its like going for dinner at someones house and spitting on the table...very rude, disrespectful and just should never happen.Etiquette when handling someone elses toys is not a nicety...its a requirement.
There was a thread awhile back about using the slide release to chamber a round instead of pulling back on the slide a bit to release it, so i imagine that this would be much the same sort of thing only this time there is no round to buffer the impact. I don't use the slide release to chamber a round and I have never even thought about using it to drop the slide on an empty chamber...it just seems so wrong.
From my SIG Sauer 1911 manual:
"Now ease the slide forward on an empty chamber.Repeatedly allowing the slide to slam closed on an empty chamber will cause premature wear to the trigger action and should be avoided."
That's a function test to insure that the gun hasn't already developed a case of Hammer Follow, once in a while if there's a change in trigger feel, or after full disassembly, or after replacing the sear spring, again, with YOUR OWN pistol. Not the gun stores inventory, or my 1911.
I guess most handguns in Israel are ruined, then. It is standard procedure at all handgun ranges, when making safe your handgun, to remove the magazine, rapidly rack the slide 3 times, stick your little finger in the mag well, open the slide again and look at the chamber, let go of the slide again and pull the trigger.
I actually saw someone get yelled at for not doing exactly that. And their Glocks and wide varieties of handguns are as accurate as anywhere else. Just a bit of oversensitivity here, methinks.
I actually saw someone get yelled at for not doing exactly that. And their Glocks and wide varieties of handguns are as accurate as anywhere else. Just a bit of oversensitivity here, methinks.
I should do a chart for how often this subject comes up plotted against a curve for how soon after the subject is tabled the flame wars will start.
If you do this on a 1911 with a box stock, really heavy trigger once in a while it likely won't hurt anything. If as a matter of habit you do it with a tuned trigger, you're probably going to regret it at some point. Dropping the slide on an empty chamber (1911) causes sear bounce. The hammer hooks and sear engagement surface become momentarily unconnected, which when combined with spring pressure can result in the hammer forcing its way past the end of the sear and dropping to half-####. Every time the hammer drops to half-#### you are damaging the sear, period. In fact, if the hammer is bouncing on the sear, even if it stays engaged, it will shorten it's life. You're peening it.
Different designs have different geometry and different mechanisms. Some designs are unaffected by this method of closing the slide and some aren't. Erring on the side of caution, I look at it this way; I can close the door on my car without slamming it. It may withstand slamming just fine for a while, or even forever, or it may not. Either way, slamming it doesn't get it closed any better or look any cooler so why do it at all?
The drop test is generally done when trigger work is performed to test for hammer follow.
As has been posted many times before, the etiquette for this would be:
Your own gun = your choice
Someone else's gun = don't do it
My gun = absolutely do not do it unless you want to be punched in the ear.
If you do this on a 1911 with a box stock, really heavy trigger once in a while it likely won't hurt anything. If as a matter of habit you do it with a tuned trigger, you're probably going to regret it at some point. Dropping the slide on an empty chamber (1911) causes sear bounce. The hammer hooks and sear engagement surface become momentarily unconnected, which when combined with spring pressure can result in the hammer forcing its way past the end of the sear and dropping to half-####. Every time the hammer drops to half-#### you are damaging the sear, period. In fact, if the hammer is bouncing on the sear, even if it stays engaged, it will shorten it's life. You're peening it.
Different designs have different geometry and different mechanisms. Some designs are unaffected by this method of closing the slide and some aren't. Erring on the side of caution, I look at it this way; I can close the door on my car without slamming it. It may withstand slamming just fine for a while, or even forever, or it may not. Either way, slamming it doesn't get it closed any better or look any cooler so why do it at all?
The drop test is generally done when trigger work is performed to test for hammer follow.
As has been posted many times before, the etiquette for this would be:
Your own gun = your choice
Someone else's gun = don't do it
My gun = absolutely do not do it unless you want to be punched in the ear.
Ah hem, (clears throat)...none of my 1911's have a "slide release", all of them come with a "slide stop" however. (there, you've been corrected and you're welcome)
To dropping the slide on an empty chamber: Please see Relliott's very accurate summation{even the punch in the ear part
} I don't even hate my Norinco enough to slam the slide home on an empty chamber...and no, it's not just me who feels this way. The guy at the gun store was justified in raising the issue IMHO OP.
Ah hem, (clears throat)...none of my 1911's have a "slide release", all of them come with a "slide stop" however. (there, you've been corrected and you're welcome)
To dropping the slide on an empty chamber: Please see Relliott's very accurate summation{even the punch in the ear part
The guy at the gun store was justified in raising the issue IMHO OP.
It is a slide STOP (or bolt/slide hold Open).
That's how we learned it; that's how we teach it.
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Slide-Releases/products/82/
When Bill Wilson starts saying "it's a slide STOP not a slide RELEASE" I'll pay attention...until then, anyone who refuses to call the 1911 part a slide release on principle just hasn't learn to run the gun properly yet.
It's okay...life is long. They may learn yet.
When Bill Wilson starts saying "it's a slide STOP not a slide RELEASE" I'll pay attention...until then, anyone who refuses to call the 1911 part a slide release on principle just hasn't learn to run the gun properly yet.
It's okay...life is long. They may learn yet.
if it's your own gun do whatever the hell you want with it.......drop the slide over and over on an empty chamber, spin the cylinder on your revolver and flick it shut, dry fire your .22 over and over, twirl it like a cowboy, shoot it gangster style, load a single round into the barrel of your 1911 and drop the slide on it......
but do it to one of my guns and I'd freak out too.....I've had people drop the slide on an empty chamber on my 1911's even though I specifically ask them not to. it really pisses me off and it's a sure sign of a novice or amature
it's not the end of the world, but it's unnecessary abuse.......it's like getting out of someone's ferrari and slamming the door shut as hard as you can, or slamming the hood closed
coincidently, the people I see dropping the slide empty, flicking the cylinder closed, dry firing .22's are the ones I see the most not following the basic gun safety rules. usually not checking the chamber, sweeping everyone....
there's gonna be people that will argue that the gun can take the abuse and there's no harm done......well, do it to your own guns all you want.......and not to someone else's. it's just ignorant
but do it to one of my guns and I'd freak out too.....I've had people drop the slide on an empty chamber on my 1911's even though I specifically ask them not to. it really pisses me off and it's a sure sign of a novice or amature
it's not the end of the world, but it's unnecessary abuse.......it's like getting out of someone's ferrari and slamming the door shut as hard as you can, or slamming the hood closed
coincidently, the people I see dropping the slide empty, flicking the cylinder closed, dry firing .22's are the ones I see the most not following the basic gun safety rules. usually not checking the chamber, sweeping everyone....
there's gonna be people that will argue that the gun can take the abuse and there's no harm done......well, do it to your own guns all you want.......and not to someone else's. it's just ignorant
but, but, then they sell the same as LNIB on the EE. If we as a community can speak out about the senseless abuse of the endangered 1911, it would serve our community better, no?
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ok, now I want to see him flick the cylinder closed on his revolver 600 times........and then dry fire his .22 600 times
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