ya I agree 150% I kept seeing the Girsans online and was kinda iffy about it but seeing it in person WoW , I was gona save my money and spend the 800 900 bucks on the 92fs inox but yesterday when the guy put that Girsan in my hand WoW I fell in love with this gun so shinny and smooth it dose not feel cheap in any way shape or form its a very good quality gun all the way around I am surprised they don't sell them for way more then they do. so I knew I was gona by my GSG 1911 but when I held the Girsan it blew me away and it even came with 2 Mags and the oils and I said to the guy its bought my GSG and Girsan 1,140 bucks later that's almost the same price as as a single Beretta 92fs inox but now I got 2 guns not one lol
how popular is the 92fs?
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ya I agree 150% I kept seeing the Girsans online and was kinda iffy about it but seeing it in person WoW , I was gona save my money and spend the 800 900 bucks on the 92fs inox but yesterday when the guy put that Girsan in my hand WoW I fell in love with this gun so shinny and smooth it dose not feel cheap in any way shape or form its a very good quality gun all the way around I am surprised they don't sell them for way more then they do. so I knew I was gona by my GSG 1911 but when I held the Girsan it blew me away and it even came with 2 Mags and the oils and I said to the guy its bought my GSG and Girsan 1,140 bucks later that's almost the same price as as a single Beretta 92fs inox but now I got 2 guns not one lol
With all due respect. I also pointed out that Girsan is probably the best deal going around these days.
However the fact that it's a good looking copy, doesn't mean it's well made.
This, You and many others, will find out after few thousand rounds at least.
Thanks for taking the jump BTW. I'll be watching how these pistols are holding up.
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Haha, that's funny, I bought a 92FS within 24 hrs of an add being posted on EE. I looked at the Girsan and yeah, it looked like a solid gun. From what I understand, it's built by the same machining and toolling (in Turkey) used to make brand-named Berettas licneced from Italy.
The finish was slightly different (felt thicker than the finishes on Berettas), but that's all I could notice in the showroom. The sales guy said they've never had one come back, and I've read reviews that it's a pretty straight shooter. But then I spoke to one of the local ranges and they mentioned that they have a Girsan and it's problematic. The range has no vested interest in selling Beretta over Girsan, or vice versa, but from their experience, they did not like the Girsan very much.
I was shopping for a Beretta when I was shown the Girsan, and I was seriously considering getting one, but after hearing the story from the local range I had second thoughts. I decided to continue shopping on EE and eventually found one I liked from another CGNer. If I remember, I'll take it to the range and compare it side by side with the Girsan they have there, shoot a few rounds and see if a noob like me can tell the difference (probably not).
And like someone said, the difference might not materialize until after a few thousand rounds. That being said, the Girsan is manufactured for military/LE use in Turkey right? That means they should be pretty durable, no?
The finish was slightly different (felt thicker than the finishes on Berettas), but that's all I could notice in the showroom. The sales guy said they've never had one come back, and I've read reviews that it's a pretty straight shooter. But then I spoke to one of the local ranges and they mentioned that they have a Girsan and it's problematic. The range has no vested interest in selling Beretta over Girsan, or vice versa, but from their experience, they did not like the Girsan very much.
I was shopping for a Beretta when I was shown the Girsan, and I was seriously considering getting one, but after hearing the story from the local range I had second thoughts. I decided to continue shopping on EE and eventually found one I liked from another CGNer. If I remember, I'll take it to the range and compare it side by side with the Girsan they have there, shoot a few rounds and see if a noob like me can tell the difference (probably not).
And like someone said, the difference might not materialize until after a few thousand rounds. That being said, the Girsan is manufactured for military/LE use in Turkey right? That means they should be pretty durable, no?
It should be a good pistol, while word "should" is a key.
Proven design, fairly experienced staff (that's more like assumption at this point, but Turks are making the firearms for a long time), so it should be fine.
However some Turkish products in the past were well...not so great. I think it's a good deal, but again - only time will tell.
Proven design, fairly experienced staff (that's more like assumption at this point, but Turks are making the firearms for a long time), so it should be fine.
However some Turkish products in the past were well...not so great. I think it's a good deal, but again - only time will tell.
carsmovies
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Too popular imo.
well with all Due Respect where I bought my Girsan from they Rent guns as well and the guy has well over 3,000 rounds threw that gun and he said to me he dose not put cheap firearms up for rent cause it would cost him more money to fix the guns he would not make a profit if he had cheap guns on his rental side , so ya I would look up Girsan if I where you and like I said before the guy has the compact on his rental lineup and it takes a beating so you be the judge of that .
ya they are durable just the feel of the Girsan is solid , there is no shakes no raddleing , there is always a Lemon in every thing that is produced on a assembly line its just like cars outa Millions of cars made maybe a few of them will turn out to be a lemon dose not mean the whole lineup is bad .the guys at my rang hate Turky guns they despise of them but I tell some of them don't judge until you try , I know when I bring myn to the range they are gona bug me for a bit till I show them the gun and compare it to a 92fs they will be ####ing there pants .
It should be a good pistol, while word "should" is a key.
Proven design, fairly experienced staff (that's more like assumption at this point, but Turks are making the firearms for a long time), so it should be fine.
However some Turkish products in the past were well...not so great. I think it's a good deal, but again - only time will tell.[/QUOTE
check out the video you be the judge of it
http://girsan.com.tr/en/presentation-movie
redshooter
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What exactly was problematic? I've had a pin that's caused me some grief, but other than that not a single failure. It's an easy fix so the hundreds saved is worth the minor bother. Did they describe an actual problem or was it just a Beretta Fan Boy referring to something like the loose pin?
That's what the guy said. Fine with me. Other rental store - as pointed out in this thread already has different opinion about this product. To understand that You can't form any valuable opinion about the product basing on one review (especially from the seller) You obviously need some more experience. I can understand that You are excited about your new pistol. Again - only time will tell if this is a good pistol or not.
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redshooter
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Time will tell. I bought mine to use and abuse. We'll likely see soon enough if there's any other common faults.
Time will tell. I bought mine to use and abuse. We'll likely see soon enough if there's any other common faults.
...and that's what I love about this forum - excellent platform to exchange the information. Thanks!
Beretta short comings are few and far between....few pins and some springs use to break frequently but have been redesigned. Here is a long read on why it was chosen by the US military for a sidearm. http://archive.gao.gov/d4t4/130439.pdf
I think that we all agree about Beretta 92 being a proven platform. I don't think that anybody expressed any doubts here.
There is however always a risk involved in buying any clone of the original pistol, especially made by the factory with very little record on the recognized markets.
Could be great product, could be a garbage. I was watching tests done to this pistol in Turkish factory.
While these test look good on the video, they say absolutely nothing about the durability of the product.
Beretta has higher sticker price, but also comes with chrome lined barrel when Turkish pistol doesn't.
Speculations about contract between Beretta and MKEK are exactly that - speculations - as there is no proof anywhere about that.
Once in a while we have a new product showing up on the market and there is always excitement, especially when the price is right.
Quite often though a few months later, we are also advised by the owners that they are not so excited any longer, because of the problems with these products.
Who knows?
Maybe this time we have a great product?
Maybe we don't?
I'm glad that the members jumped on and started testing the product.
I'll be looking forward to their findings.
However for now, I much prefer to stay cautiously optimistic instead of hysterically sure that we have a winner.
There is however always a risk involved in buying any clone of the original pistol, especially made by the factory with very little record on the recognized markets.
Could be great product, could be a garbage. I was watching tests done to this pistol in Turkish factory.
While these test look good on the video, they say absolutely nothing about the durability of the product.
Beretta has higher sticker price, but also comes with chrome lined barrel when Turkish pistol doesn't.
Speculations about contract between Beretta and MKEK are exactly that - speculations - as there is no proof anywhere about that.
Once in a while we have a new product showing up on the market and there is always excitement, especially when the price is right.
Quite often though a few months later, we are also advised by the owners that they are not so excited any longer, because of the problems with these products.
Who knows?
Maybe this time we have a great product?
Maybe we don't?
I'm glad that the members jumped on and started testing the product.
I'll be looking forward to their findings.
However for now, I much prefer to stay cautiously optimistic instead of hysterically sure that we have a winner.
The most common magazines we sell are for the 1911 platform. After that, it's the Beretta 92 mags. They're surprisingly popular still. Of course, I have to qualify that statement because SIG mags are hard to find even for us these days. When we had plenty of both, I'd say the Beretta 92 and SIG P226 mags were just about even in terms of popularity. Mags for Glocks, CZ, Brownings, M&Ps and other platforms really aren't as popular as some may believe.
On a personal note, I always liked shooting the Beretta. I found it easy to make follow up shots, but I wasn't a fan of all the levers and buttons that sit so low on the frame and rub the support hand.
On a personal note, I always liked shooting the Beretta. I found it easy to make follow up shots, but I wasn't a fan of all the levers and buttons that sit so low on the frame and rub the support hand.
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I didn't bother asking, but the guy is not a Beretta fan boy, he's a
Glock guy and as I said, the range has no interest in selling one over the other. Neither do I, but I happen to find a slightly used Beretta for about the same price as a new Girsan, just a choice, nothing personal.
And before you start thinking I'm a Beretta fan boy, or anti clone guy, I'm neither, too new to Berettas to be a fan boy, and I own a bunch of Norcs, so no problems with clones.
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He's referring to the interior of the barrel not the exterior finish.
Make no mistake Girsan owners there could be some serious flaws. I think if there's going to be a problem it will likely be in the metallurgy. Parts like the lock block could be made from slightly inferior steel and therefore fail well before a Beretta lock block. Hitzy's assertion that a vast majority of parts are interchangeable is a bonus as if any parts prove to be short lived and can be replaced with a Beretta part, problem solved.
Not really trying to infer anyone is a fan boy, just stating that I've heard plenty of gun store staff spew utter garbage. Not taking a kick at you just saying that to report that something is problematic without even a hint of the details isn't all that helpful. He could be referring to the extractor pin which is easy to fix, hardly a problem.
Make no mistake Girsan owners there could be some serious flaws. I think if there's going to be a problem it will likely be in the metallurgy. Parts like the lock block could be made from slightly inferior steel and therefore fail well before a Beretta lock block. Hitzy's assertion that a vast majority of parts are interchangeable is a bonus as if any parts prove to be short lived and can be replaced with a Beretta part, problem solved.
Not really trying to infer anyone is a fan boy, just stating that I've heard plenty of gun store staff spew utter garbage. Not taking a kick at you just saying that to report that something is problematic without even a hint of the details isn't all that helpful. He could be referring to the extractor pin which is easy to fix, hardly a problem.
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Just checked and mine's out for deliver as I type this........too bad I won't be home to sign for it, guess I'll have to go to the post office to pick it up. Can't wait!
If it arrived just two days later, I'd be a dead man. Some guys choose to cheat on their wives while they're away, I buy guns, haha!
If it arrived just two days later, I'd be a dead man. Some guys choose to cheat on their wives while they're away, I buy guns, haha!
