Turkey has been a member of NATO since 1952 and they tested the pistols to NATO standards...also ISO 9001 certified. To me anyway it meets NATO standards, they may not be grueling tests but its a measureable minimum standard. Just like saying a building is "up to code" doesn't mean its a real super quality home....just meets minimum recognized standards.
Girsan Regard Thread
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All I'm saying is that the hype spread around is basing on the info provided by the factory. It's easy to see that while it may be a good product a very smart marketing is involved here as well.
They never went as far as standard NATO testing with that pistol (NATO standard is obviously different from the Turkish Ministry of National Defence’s technical specifications, for the firearms despite the statement provided by the manufactured to the contrary).
Again, as stated before - the tests done at the factory say very little about durability of that product.
That's why your feedback about this pistol reported over the longer period of time is so valuable to us
Just to prove my point - an example of one of the standard NATO testing procedures (one of many) that never happened at this factory:
4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.
They never went as far as standard NATO testing with that pistol (NATO standard is obviously different from the Turkish Ministry of National Defence’s technical specifications, for the firearms despite the statement provided by the manufactured to the contrary).
Again, as stated before - the tests done at the factory say very little about durability of that product.
That's why your feedback about this pistol reported over the longer period of time is so valuable to us
Just to prove my point - an example of one of the standard NATO testing procedures (one of many) that never happened at this factory:
4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.
All I'm saying is that the hype spread around is basing on the info provided by the factory. It's easy to see that while it may be a good product a very smart marketing is involved here as well.
They never went as far as standard NATO testing with that pistol (NATO standard is obviously different from the Turkish Ministry of National Defence’s technical specifications, for the firearms despite the statement provided by the manufactured to the contrary).
Again, as stated before - the tests done at the factory say very little about durability of that product.
That's why your feedback about this pistol reported over the longer period of time is so valuable to us
Just to prove my point - an example of one of the standard NATO testing procedures (one of many) that never happened at this factory:
4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.
nope like Hitzy said they been apart of nato since 1952 and that says a lot when it comes to guns , and the Video said it dose meet NATO standards watch it again .
All I'm saying is that the hype spread around is basing on the info provided by the factory. It's easy to see that while it may be a good product a very smart marketing is involved here as well.
They never went as far as standard NATO testing with that pistol (NATO standard is obviously different from the Turkish Ministry of National Defence’s technical specifications, for the firearms despite the statement provided by the manufactured to the contrary).
Again, as stated before - the tests done at the factory say very little about durability of that product.
That's why your feedback about this pistol reported over the longer period of time is so valuable to us
Just to prove my point - an example of one of the standard NATO testing procedures (one of many) that never happened at this factory:
4000 dry firings
3000 De-cockings
Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.
and it is not good to dry fire any gun that many times and it don't matter what gun is dryed fired that many times will mess up. Have you Held a Girsan before ? have you shot a Girsan before ? if not I would not be judging anything you have not tried before . I was the same way a couple months ago I was so keen on the Taurus pT99 and no one could budge me off of the Taurus until some one told me about the Girsan and where I bought my GSG 1911 is where they sold Girsan and like I said they use them on there rental line and that means a lot right there why would the owner put that gun on there rental line if it was cheap ??? so before any one judges anything they should check it out and yes opinions do help but you got to remember some people are against Turkish firearms but for the past few years there quality has come really far and people should check them out now in person .
and videos NEVER lie
Let's just make sure members who own the firearms keep reporting any positive/negative feedback so we can all see for ourselves how the firearm holds up under normal use.
Great fire arm for $500, i sold mine because i switch all mine to Jericho 941, i kept the girsan long as i could, well built, quality finish, super simple take down.
New owner loves it even more, he is local so i see him often nd nothing but good review's.
I held the Taurus & only one thing i liked was the rail everything else was not as nice of quality i thought & the outside finish way nicer than the Taurus.
New owner loves it even more, he is local so i see him often nd nothing but good review's.
I held the Taurus & only one thing i liked was the rail everything else was not as nice of quality i thought & the outside finish way nicer than the Taurus.
You like your pistol. We got it. I like this pistol too, even though I don't own it yet.
I've inspected one. Nice looking firearm.
I'm not juding anyone - just show me where I went personal with anyone or anything.
You really must be kidding in the first part of your post...otherwise You simply displaying a total luck of understanding of the firearms testing procedures that are in place with many institutions and organizations around the World. In this case I just showed You one of the stages of the standard NATO pistol testing.
And You know what?
Every NATO approved pistol must complete this stage without any failures.
I'm pointing out the information that was provided to us (also by You) that simply is not true.
If this sits bad with You....I can live with that.
I'll be looking forward to the reviews from the owners over the next 2-3 years.
I'm simply very curious.
I fully agree with you and then some.
Girsan factory tests or whatever tests they ran are basically a full magazine shooting for each test. No more, no less. Way Far from the Nato testing procedures.
With that said, I own one and I am happy with it. But I am really looking forward to find out how these guns will endure with time.
Girsan factory tests or whatever tests they ran are basically a full magazine shooting for each test. No more, no less. Way Far from the Nato testing procedures.
With that said, I own one and I am happy with it. But I am really looking forward to find out how these guns will endure with time.
Yeah, reading it again its pretty vague what NATO standards they used....could be from 1952 and Denmarks individual requirements for all we know.
I did find out what pistols have NSN stock numbers though.....there aren't many
CZ-PO1
Glock 17 Glock 19
Sig 226 Used by Canada Sig 228
Hi-Power - used by U.K., Canada
Beretta M 9 - used by U.S.
CZ 75 B
I do take CZ claims with a grain of salt though as this gem is still on thier website which is a claim I highly question...
CZ 75 B is used by more governments, militaries, police and security agencies than any other pistol in the world. The CZ 75 is quite possibly the perfect pistol.
Also found this on a message board....the same pistol CZP01 that survived 3000 dry fires should not be dryfired...lol
I contacted CZ-USA and there gunsmith said that the PO1 should not be dry-fired without snap-caps because of the firing pin block arrangement and something to do with a roll-pin. At any rate thats where things lay as of the moment. I must add that I'm a little surprised at this posistion from CZ-USA, meaning if thats what the problem ultimately is, and you really shouldent dry-fire the pistol without a snap-cap then perhaps they might include a small blurb in the manual or at the least with it. Keep in mind, they were just great about the whole thing and I have nothing but good to say about them.
I did find out what pistols have NSN stock numbers though.....there aren't many
CZ-PO1
Glock 17 Glock 19
Sig 226 Used by Canada Sig 228
Hi-Power - used by U.K., Canada
Beretta M 9 - used by U.S.
CZ 75 B
I do take CZ claims with a grain of salt though as this gem is still on thier website which is a claim I highly question...
CZ 75 B is used by more governments, militaries, police and security agencies than any other pistol in the world. The CZ 75 is quite possibly the perfect pistol.
Also found this on a message board....the same pistol CZP01 that survived 3000 dry fires should not be dryfired...lol
I contacted CZ-USA and there gunsmith said that the PO1 should not be dry-fired without snap-caps because of the firing pin block arrangement and something to do with a roll-pin. At any rate thats where things lay as of the moment. I must add that I'm a little surprised at this posistion from CZ-USA, meaning if thats what the problem ultimately is, and you really shouldent dry-fire the pistol without a snap-cap then perhaps they might include a small blurb in the manual or at the least with it. Keep in mind, they were just great about the whole thing and I have nothing but good to say about them.
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Yeah, reading it again its pretty vague what NATO standards they used....could be from 1952 and Denmarks individual requirements for all we know.
I did find out what pistols have NSN stock numbers though.....there aren't many
CZ-PO1
Glock 17 Glock 19
Sig 226 Used by Canada Sig 228
Hi-Power - used by U.K., Canada
Beretta M 9 - used by U.S.
CZ 75 B
I do take CZ claims with a grain of salt though as this gem is still on thier website which is a claim I highly question...
CZ 75 B is used by more governments, militaries, police and security agencies than any other pistol in the world. The CZ 75 is quite possibly the perfect pistol.
Also found this on a message board....the same pistol CZP01 that survived 3000 dry fires should not be dryfired...lol
I contacted CZ-USA and there gunsmith said that the PO1 should not be dry-fired without snap-caps because of the firing pin block arrangement and something to do with a roll-pin. At any rate thats where things lay as of the moment. I must add that I'm a little surprised at this posistion from CZ-USA, meaning if thats what the problem ultimately is, and you really shouldent dry-fire the pistol without a snap-cap then perhaps they might include a small blurb in the manual or at the least with it. Keep in mind, they were just great about the whole thing and I have nothing but good to say about them.
In Beretta's manual for the 92 it also says you shouldn't dry fire the pistol. So this doesn't really mean that the firearm cannot with stand the 4000 dry fires if the M9 and the CZ 75B/P01 are on the NATO list. I think what they should say is something more like "not recommended".
I actually may buy one of these pistols next year as well. That's why I'm really interested in your findings.
I just don't need any fantasies or imaginery facts that some of the more excited owners are full of.
I watched the video - you gotta love the drop test... the technician is pretty sure of the product (he better be, judging from where he's standing when the unit is dropped!!). I held a few different Regard models today at a Toronto Gun Shop - the MC Black, MC Bright White and Compact Bright White... beautiful guns. Very high quality when compared to the Norinco, which I also held today at the same shop. For an extra $100 or so, the Girsan is well worth it...
Still not enough YouTube videos on them though...
Still not enough YouTube videos on them though...
and videos NEVER lie
Let's just make sure members who own the firearms keep reporting any positive/negative feedback so we can all see for ourselves how the firearm holds up under normal use.
and the people have to hold the gun to know what we are talking about as well , the feel of the gun and everything dose not feel cheap you own one you tell me lol
I bought the Regard Bright white and yes they need more videos one guy on hear made a video of his Girsan Regard and its simple to take apart just like the Beretta its almost the exact same but way better quality I find .
well yesterday morning I picked up my Girsan and GSG 1911 and last night I went to the rang and I had some of the guys check out my Girsan Regard Bright White and some of the guys before they seen my Girsan thought it would be this Cheap Brick of a gun just cause its made in Turky , well when they seen it last night WOW my gun buddy was triped right out he was like I took Turkish guns the wrong way and then my other buddy said this gun feels way better then the Beretta and he wants to buy a Girsan Regard Bright white . If you know quality guns youl like this Girsan Regard .
UPDATE , I got to shoot My Girsan today I love the recoil and it shoots prity good considering I shoot a crapy round , a buddy of myn let me shoot 5 rounds of this crapy 9mm he had it was week the gun still shot everything I had to shoot single bullets but I cant wait to get my 100 rounds of Wolf . Has any one had any double charged wolf amo ? but the gun shot really good
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