Girsan Regard Thread
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It's not just the choice of metals or alloys but numerous other factors that affect performance. I had the privilege of working with many competent metals people and engineers for a long time. Metals are chosen for a lot of different and sometimes conflicting reasons. Machineability is one of them as that affects the manufacturing processes and costs. Strength is just one factor as impact resistance, abrasion resistance and other qualities are important. Titanium would be a much more common material in firearms except it is brutally difficult to work and chews up tooling along the way. In many cases, heat treatments and controlled cooling of otherwise less competent metals are key.
All other things being equal, if a product is made to sell at a certain price point and be competitive, there will be lots of compromises. There's no mystery as to why similar firearms can be marketed at significantly different prices just on finishing details. The range of gun finishes in terms of cost is huge.
Happily, we get lots of choices and pretty good value at most price levels. Time will tell on the Girsan but everything points to it being a good value and as such, it will get more people into our sports earlier which is a good thing.
All other things being equal, if a product is made to sell at a certain price point and be competitive, there will be lots of compromises. There's no mystery as to why similar firearms can be marketed at significantly different prices just on finishing details. The range of gun finishes in terms of cost is huge.
Happily, we get lots of choices and pretty good value at most price levels. Time will tell on the Girsan but everything points to it being a good value and as such, it will get more people into our sports earlier which is a good thing.
According to their own website the company was established 19 years ago.
They started using CNC technology 14 years ago...so it isn't exactly a very experienced gun maker.
Coming from Europe I know something that a lot of the people here simply do not realize and that is actually the main reason behind my cautious approach here.
It's cultural thing strictly connected with many Turkish companies and institutions.
Business ethics in Turkey are a bit different than You may expect from the civilized country.
Misleading the client and making up the facts is fairly popular and acceptable practice there.
They started using CNC technology 14 years ago...so it isn't exactly a very experienced gun maker.
Coming from Europe I know something that a lot of the people here simply do not realize and that is actually the main reason behind my cautious approach here.
It's cultural thing strictly connected with many Turkish companies and institutions.
Business ethics in Turkey are a bit different than You may expect from the civilized country.
Misleading the client and making up the facts is fairly popular and acceptable practice there.
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kschneider
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This is my Girsan Regard with factory Beretta grips
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Yea cause no other company does that. Gtfoh i owned one & was better made than many other guns i have seen, unless u own one dont blabber on bout nothing
Of course misleading the Turkish Government (and especially the Turkish Military) is a practice that leads to a long unhappy life in a Turkish jail, putting a lasting smile on "Uncle" Achmed's ugly mug. These guns are essentially the same gun the Turkish military issues, I'm betting there are few, if any quality control issues.
Have yourself a nice day too. I'm sorry that I touched your sensitive area.
There are few things about Turkish manufacturing that are obviously different from your typical, european gun maker.
Make sure to understand what CIP means.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/bad_turkish_shotguns.htm
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You are probably right...yet, please take a look how many brands and types of pistols are used by Turkish Army.
37 according to the Wikipedia.
So, do we even know how many of these pistols ever seen a service with the Army?
We just assuming a lot here. That's why I'll be following closely the member's own experience with these guns
kschneider
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Does any one know for sure if the internal parts from the beretta 92fs work in the Regard full size, such as a D spring, parts for a trigger job like the Wolff trigger conversion unit, recoil spring, guide rod, hammer and spring, and all the rest of the springs. I emailed girsan in Turkey and they say nothing from a Beretta will work, not even the grips. That's crap because the Beretta factory wood grips fit like they were made for it. I guess they just don't like to admit they copied it.
Lexthedestroyer
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Not sure about the other stuff, but the D spring for SURE works, I've got it in mine, and I've never had a problem with it.
A friend of mine from the USA told me that he swapped out some parts from his AT92 with the Beretta stuff with no problems, but I can't remember what was that exactly.
I'm nearly sure that You should be able to do that.
Yours doesn't have a firing pin safety? That's strange. Mine definitely does! The light in here sucks but I could probably take a picture out at the range tomorrow if I remember.
Actually the light wasn't that bad. Here's mine with the safety off:
and with the safety on (notice how the pin rotates out of the way):
Now mine is the compact model, but I don't think they changed the safety type between the compact and the full-size
and with the safety on (notice how the pin rotates out of the way):
Now mine is the compact model, but I don't think they changed the safety type between the compact and the full-size
On the pictures that I've seen (coming from the gentleman mentioned above) there was a counter weight under the sear, not the firing pin safety.
Again, he owned Girsan made for the American market and imported by ATI - pistol was know under the designation AT92.
Can You take a look in the magazine well and slowly pull the trigger?
You should be able to see the counter weight rise.
Counter weight puts upward pressure on the sear (in addition the sear spring) as your trigger pull puts downward pressure on it.
In theory it should stop gun from discharging the round in the event of a drop however it is not the same as a firing pin block.
That's how much I can dig from his emails now.
That would be certainly interesting to see that Girsan implemented different firing pin safety on the pistols available in Canada.
It's a Beretta 92F in every aspect, so far everything Beretta I tried on mine fits, or will fit with very minimal fitting. The wolff trigger spring conversion worked fine, but made the reset a little too soft for me so I put the OEM spring back in. Slide stop, extractor, dropped right in, locking block is tight and will need minor polishing to fit. Nothing wrong with the OEM parts either, I got these simply as spare parts as they were cheap from Brownells....
The firing pin block is the little rectangular bar the slide up out of the slide as the end of the trigger pull....same as a Beretta
The firing pin block is the little rectangular bar the slide up out of the slide as the end of the trigger pull....same as a Beretta
kschneider
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mine is the full size and it has the de-cocker. but these guns have been made for awhile and they made some changes when they got cnc machines in 2004 I think.
