SHTF PREPPER black powder gun

fat tony said:
I wonder if having something with a stainless / extra thick walls in the " peak pressure area" would be a good idea if you were going to go with improvised powders. . . .
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not needed all sulfur less bp is potassium nitrate and charcoal powder you would want something like willow charcoal allowing the potassium nitrate to melt over head and mixing in the right amount of charcoal this still needs a small charge of real BP behind it it also may take a bit more then normal to get the same velocity what purpose sulfur has in BP is the lower the ignition temp
 
CanadianReich said:
I do not own any muzzelloaders but Im considering one.

if anyone knows of a good quality reliable and inexpensive beater that has these qualities let me know:

1) rifled barrel
2) 50cal or large enoough for any game in NA
3) i can make my own lead projectiles from lead i melt myself
4) can use blackpowder made from scratch, oldschool, like the Confederates did (note: not saying ill make my own BP, simpy want a gun that can use said BP if I had to to survive)
5) can be fired and maintained with nothing at all purchased from a store- all oils natural from nature, lead from scrap, powder from animal crap, dirt, carbon from trees, etc.........



Im thinking rifled muzzelloader flintlock

no caps....... i'd have to buy those


I dont care if it is a relica of a 1700s gun or a 2013 version

let me know if these is even possible/ plausible
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For what you want I would hunt down a Thompson Center Renegade Flintlock in 50 or 54 cal. Not made anymore but were quite popular before the inlines as a hunting gun. Very reliable and trouble free.
 
One has to cash careful asking this one single question.

A few years ago I had the same idea. That morphed into, a reproduction flintlock blunderbuss quickly followed by a percussion two barrel howdah pistol. Then the Browning rendition of the classic Hawken caplock rifle. Soon followed by two stainless steel ROA's. One spare cylinder & just today I ordered the Belt Mountain quick cylinder change setup. :redface:

BP firearms reproduce at an alarmimg rate under this roof!
 
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stampede said:
Hunting in a SHTF situation ?

Are you planning on packing your refrigerator ? Otherwise you will have to kill something every 4 or 5 days. Even the best hunters I know would not be able to sustain this level of hunting on local big game.

Learning to dig for grubs is a better survival strategy than hunting.
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meat can be dried smoked salted etc

also if you have a larger group they can eat the deer quite quickly and as a group kill something every 4 or 5 days
 
stampede said:
"Unless you build a nitre bed, the absence of sources of potassium nitrate will be your undoing in the making of black powder. "

Not to mention finding active volcanoes to climb get some sulfur.

It tales a certain level of technology to make black powder. Even more to make a powder effective and consistent enough for use in in firearms.
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Im really not sure what you guys are going on about potassium nitrate


All you need is crap.....lots of crap.

everyone poops

animals do too


dig up the soil where they crap alot........use that soil

a bit more detail here.....

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/708618-Homemade-black-powder?highlight=canadianreich
 
Im getting the hunting bug big time

checked my blind from last year, its still up. roof held.


had some bear meat yesterday, didnt care for it, not hunting bear.....


muzzelloader deer season started 3 days ago, a damn month before normal deer season......I want in on that!

Canadian tire has CVA Accura and Thompson Impact 50 cals........

huummmm.....

research research research!!!

thanks guys
 
fat tony said:
^Excellent suggestion. The romantic image in so many paintings of native chiefs invariably show them toting such a firearm.
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Weren't the Eastern Woodland Native peoples predominately that of an agricultural based society with very well known borders for those 200 years? Romanticism aside.

SHTF, I would think protecting your crop from birds would be higher on the priority list than trying to put meat on a table with a smoothbore flintlock. Just as 200 years ago more meat was had by trap than that of buck and ball. That meat was only a small accompaniment of corn and beans which grows well and was the staple...east of the Mississippi anyhow. As it was 200 years ago, so it would be again in a SHTF and trying to plow asphalt and concrete is going to be a b1tch Laugh2 .
 
plinker 777 said:
Weren't the Eastern Woodland Native peoples predominately that of an agricultural based society with very well known borders for those 200 years? Romanticism aside.

SHTF, I would think protecting your crop from birds would be higher on the priority list than trying to put meat on a table with a smoothbore flintlock. Just as 200 years ago more meat was had by trap than that of buck and ball. That meat was only a small accompaniment of corn and beans which grows well and was the staple...east of the Mississippi anyhow. As it was 200 years ago, so it would be again in a SHTF and trying to plow asphalt and concrete is going to be a b1tch Laugh2 .
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I got a yard that's 30 yards long and 10 yards wide plenty of room with no asphalt Laugh2. realistically I like the 12ga single shot better it has endless possibility's with a full set of adaptors and brass hulls this way I conserve ammo for the other guns and still get food a flintlock smooth bore would be cool but flint is not something easy to find here. slingshots have been productive for me too I've take quite a bit of small game with them and ammo is everywhere I use a flatband shooter with stuff called thera band as bands that can be found at many different fitness stores
 
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antiqueguy said:
I got a yard that's 30 yards long and 10 yards wide plenty of room with no asphalt Laugh2. realistically I like the 12ga single shot better it has endless possibility's with a full set of adaptors and brass hulls this way I conserve ammo for the other guns and still get food a flintlock smooth bore would be cool but flint is not something easy to find here. slingshots have been productive for me too I've take quite a bit of small game with them and ammo is everywhere I use a flatband shooter with stuff called thera band as bands that can be found at many different fitness stores
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^Not so good for winter use though (the rubber slingshots).
 
Order a Flintlock Hawken from Track of the Wolf from Investment Arms (Lyman flintlock Great Planes Rifle) in 50 or 54 caliber. 54 caliber would be better as they hit harder and are more efficient. Do not attempt to make black powder unless U have done your homework very very carefully. I would say do not attempt it. Yes U can roll yur own ball. I do it all the time. get yourself the mold from Track in the right caliber (50 or 54) buy 100% lead from a local metal scrap yard, get yourself a lead pot and ladle and yur in business, A Flintlock rifle does not require a PAL it is not deemed a firearm in Canada or the US. U can have it shipped directly to your home address from Track of the Wolf in the States. The Lyman Hawken is one of the best ready to shoot none custom black powder firearms U can buy. I own two and they are both tack drivers off hand at 100 yards with primitive iron sights. U can order the Great Planes rifle in two styles. Rifling for patched round ball only, 1 in 66 inch rifling twist, or rifling for bullets only in 1 in 32 inch twist, (Great Planes Hunter). I have both rifles. The Great Planes Hunter 1 in 32 twist is a real thumper. U load er up with 120 grains of holy black with a 450gr bullet and it will kick like a sideways mule it will knock over a 1200 lb buffalo, no problemo my son. Tame it down with 90 grains and U can shoot maybe 10 rounds before it gets down right unpleasant. The Great Planes Patched Round ball shooter hardly kicks at all. Load it up with 90-120 grains black powder and it will kill anything in North America at 100 meters or less. I would caution U about getting into muzzle loaders. It is too smokey, dirty, addictive and just too damn much fun. Cost for a new flintlock Great Planes rifle from Track of the Wolf around 600 bucks or so. Hope this helps. any questions U can PM me. Been shooten front stuffers for about 10 years now.
 
plinker 777 said:
Weren't the Eastern Woodland Native peoples predominately that of an agricultural based society with very well known borders for those 200 years? Romanticism aside.

SHTF, I would think protecting your crop from birds would be higher on the priority list than trying to put meat on a table with a smoothbore flintlock. Just as 200 years ago more meat was had by trap than that of buck and ball. That meat was only a small accompaniment of corn and beans which grows well and was the staple...east of the Mississippi anyhow. As it was 200 years ago, so it would be again in a SHTF and trying to plow asphalt and concrete is going to be a b1tch Laugh2 .
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you are correct in that hunter gatherers require huge amounts of land per person to survive and farmers require.......oh........i think it was a football field per person of land to surivive


I live next to a wilderness reserve of 10,000 hectars thou......

fertile land, bog, river, woods, animals.

:)

that and one does not need to be exlusive........ u can farm and hunt and trap

all of the above

at the same time
 
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eaglesnester said:
Order a Flintlock Hawken from Track of the Wolf from Investment Arms (Lyman flintlock Great Planes Rifle) in 50 or 54 caliber. 54 caliber would be better as they hit harder and are more efficient. Do not attempt to make black powder unless U have done your homework very very carefully. I would say do not attempt it. Yes U can roll yur own ball. I do it all the time. get yourself the mold from Track in the right caliber (50 or 54) buy 100% lead from a local metal scrap yard, get yourself a lead pot and ladle and yur in business, A Flintlock rifle does not require a PAL it is not deemed a firearm in Canada or the US. U can have it shipped directly to your home address from Track of the Wolf in the States. The Lyman Hawken is one of the best ready to shoot none custom black powder firearms U can buy. I own two and they are both tack drivers off hand at 100 yards with primitive iron sights. U can order the Great Planes rifle in two styles. Rifling for patched round ball only, 1 in 66 inch rifling twist, or rifling for bullets only in 1 in 32 inch twist, (Great Planes Hunter). I have both rifles. The Great Planes Hunter 1 in 32 twist is a real thumper. U load er up with 120 grains of holy black with a 450gr bullet and it will kick like a sideways mule it will knock over a 1200 lb buffalo, no problemo my son. Tame it down with 90 grains and U can shoot maybe 10 rounds before it gets down right unpleasant. The Great Planes Patched Round ball shooter hardly kicks at all. Load it up with 90-120 grains black powder and it will kill anything in North America at 100 meters or less. I would caution U about getting into muzzle loaders. It is too smokey, dirty, addictive and just too damn much fun. Cost for a new flintlock Great Planes rifle from Track of the Wolf around 600 bucks or so. Hope this helps. any questions U can PM me. Been shooten front stuffers for about 10 years now.
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thanks for all this


not a firearm eh?

seems odd with the recent ontario judge ruling noting that ALL pellet guns are firearms (lol)


(firearms news/media section)

that and stories like this where flintlock long "gun" owners are charged for firearms offences (no PAL, no registered)
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/235036/
 
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Plinker, nice try - this is not 'east of the Mississippi' this is Nova Scotia, where the average depth of the soil here is shallow.

You don't see too many successful farmers outside of the usual farmland areas.

Although anyone can put in a garden I guess.

I have heard statements to the effect that trapping is on average a much better way to secure meat than physically going out and hunting. It only makes sense. You can cover a lot more territory with traps than just you and your firearm.

The thing is trapping requires territory and dedication also.
 
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eaglesnester said:
Order a Flintlock Hawken from Track of the Wolf from Investment Arms (Lyman flintlock Great Planes Rifle) in 50 or 54 caliber. 54 caliber would be better as they hit harder and are more efficient. Do not attempt to make black powder unless U have done your homework very very carefully. I would say do not attempt it. Yes U can roll yur own ball. I do it all the time. get yourself the mold from Track in the right caliber (50 or 54) buy 100% lead from a local metal scrap yard, get yourself a lead pot and ladle and yur in business, A Flintlock rifle does not require a PAL it is not deemed a firearm in Canada or the US. U can have it shipped directly to your home address from Track of the Wolf in the States. The Lyman Hawken is one of the best ready to shoot none custom black powder firearms U can buy. I own two and they are both tack drivers off hand at 100 yards with primitive iron sights. U can order the Great Planes rifle in two styles. Rifling for patched round ball only, 1 in 66 inch rifling twist, or rifling for bullets only in 1 in 32 inch twist, (Great Planes Hunter). I have both rifles. The Great Planes Hunter 1 in 32 twist is a real thumper. U load er up with 120 grains of holy black with a 450gr bullet and it will kick like a sideways mule it will knock over a 1200 lb buffalo, no problemo my son. Tame it down with 90 grains and U can shoot maybe 10 rounds before it gets down right unpleasant. The Great Planes Patched Round ball shooter hardly kicks at all. Load it up with 90-120 grains black powder and it will kill anything in North America at 100 meters or less. I would caution U about getting into muzzle loaders. It is too smokey, dirty, addictive and just too damn much fun. Cost for a new flintlock Great Planes rifle from Track of the Wolf around 600 bucks or so. Hope this helps. any questions U can PM me. Been shooten front stuffers for about 10 years now.
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Talking about making black powder, I read that buckthorn was highly prized in England for using as charcoal in black powder production. There's a wealth of buckthorn here.

I can't even make my wife's coffee right. but I have read some about it.
 
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