Concealed Carry in Canada....
- Thread starter Newfoundlandrover
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Not a single thing. If you can legally own the gun, you can legally carry it. While we're at it, I want licensing gone and everything else as well. I could live with a law that prohibits convicted criminals on parole and those with court ordered firearms prohibitions from possessing firearms. Everything else is worthless. Before you say that could never work, know that Alaska and Vermont have no state firearms laws. None. And the world doesn't end. It wouldn't here if we did it, either.
Of course, in our bedwetter, nanny state, utopian sh!thole that will never happen.
While I won't say never, I will say it won't happen until after the next revolution. There is zero chance of our current society pulling their heads out of their asses, letting go of their fear of the world and allowing all people to be free and responsible for themselves.
I'm totally content locking my restricted in a box while transporting
Really? I'm offended every time I go to the range and am reminded how stupid voters and politicians really are.
Why? The G19 is the same size, weighs less, carries more rounds and is generally superior in every other way aside from the cool factor.
Mark
Shooter1of38
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ccw coming to canada?
lol!!!
Does something as useless as a piece of paper called the law prevent any of the above or anyone else from carrying now? What about the above mentioned people and knifes or hammers or chemicals?! You people fabricate the dumbest SH@t to worry about. We could solve drunk driving, which kills far more peoplke than all other negligent methods combined, but no one wants to give up alcohol or hand out serious penalties. Instead the public gets in a panic over trivial numbers of firearms related deaths and demands strict control measures. Ccw requires nothing from the gov. Good people are already doong it without big brothers involvement and bad people don't give a f@ck what is or isn't legal. Everyone is entitled to defend themslves, scumbags included. Its a right you don't need permission to exercise.
Tdc
Leviathan024
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It won't happen in Canada because we have too many pant wetting liberals and a huge amount of FUDDS. Just look how many are posting in here. I will continue to dream
turbo_bird
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Agreed, and I can't say it any better than this. Like George Carlin once said, "think about how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of them are stupider than that". And there is no cure for stupid.
Kristian
wayupnorth
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i couldnt disagree more with your statement.
infact i agree with the OP, if you want to carry you should be trained and have a blemish free record.
i wouldnt change the licensing laws at all.
you want a pistol, you need to be vetted and if your a criminal forget it.
you wanna carry, then its black badge course time and even more then that, yearly re-certification.
oh my god, thats crazy! that would mean we would need to maintain our skill and put forth some effort!
damn right!
cops need to recert and they might actually use their guns, so should we.
but as much as i love my guns i personally dont see the need to carry one around on me.
my long time friend lives in Texas and he works on big industrial printers and spends his days in office towers and businesses and he carries 2 guns on him every day.
he's in his late 50's and has done this his entire life, so i asked his if he ever had to use one.... no.
has he even ever thought about pulling one? nope.
i look back on my 40 some years walking around and i try to think have i ever been in a situation where i would have needed a heater strapped to my waist.... nope.
to be honest the only time i would ever even consider carry one would be if you did give all the idiots out there permission to carry just so i could defend myself against them!
but i guess it would defend us from all those shooting spree's that happen up here.
oh wait... we dont really have many of those.
well i guess i could defend myself against getting raped.
oh wait... not a concern for me i dont think.
well i guess i could use it to stop a bank robber.
oh wait... ive never been in a bank when its getting robbed... or even in the same city when one got robbed.
well ya know, i guess since armored car guys carry guns there must be something bad out there, but then ive never heard of them shooting anyone either.
but then i guess i dont get out much...
oh wait, ive worked in EMS for 20 years in a city so i guess maybe i do get out some.
no, i cant think of a single reason to carry a pistol.
sorry, not true, hunting, i would carry one hunting as a back up.
i dont know, i think we have fostered and worked for over a century to have a safe place to live where we wouldn't need to carry a gun just to go outside and live our lives, it would be a sad day when the need to carry would come to Canada.
I'm not going to try to start an argument here, You bring up a lot of valid points, and I tend to be pretty non-partisan in the interest of fleshing out all aspects of a debate.
But I had to look twice at the date and make sure I wasn't doing some forum thread necromancy before replying, and that's when I noticed you posted that an hour ago.
You're from Northern Alberta and haven't heard of Travis Baumgartner? Like... the guy from Sherwood park who murdered 3 people last year in Edmonton and was sentenced barely more than a week ago?
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/09/09/travis-baumgartner-hub-mall-shootings_n_3896523.html
I'm a Security Guard. I've been doing this for the last 3 years. Sure I'm a gun nut (we all are) but my professional area of study is Music Technology. I don't have much of an interest in being a cop or military, but I have to admit when I was a kid I really wanted to use the cool guns and wear the fancy pants and whatever else. I've grown up a bit since then and realize it's not for me. But work in the music industry isn't really easy to come by, and having 3 years of experience in any field is a pretty good place to start any career if it comes to that. Well right now I'm a contractor for Alberta Health Services and the only way up in this industry is promotion to management (yeah right like that'll happen), or head to a different employer. Say work directly for AHS as a Peace Officer (that would be nice), or... work for Brinks or G4S. It might not be a fantastic pay raise, but it has the potential to expand my experience and maybe lead to something more lucrative in the future.
Of course try telling that to my wife after this Baumgartner waste-of-skin did what he did. In my back yard.. in YOUR backyard. Hell, convince ME its a good idea because right now I'm kind of terrified of the thought of guarding some banks' money for a measley $20/hr with the responsibility to open carry in public.
I've had jobs babysitting ATM vestibules with some pretty frightening people around. Sitting on a bench with a bright flourescent yellow coat with nothing but a notepad to defend myself with because carrying so much as a 3 D-Cell mag light with me can get me fired, stripped of my license, and possibly face criminal charges because I'm carrying a weapon to work. Even as a peace officer I wouldn't be allowed to carry anything resembling a weapon other than an expandable baton. Hell I'm not even ALLOWED to buy a bullet proof vest because I don't carry a gun, even guarding little old ladies who just need some cash at 9pm at the ATM, or escorting the ATM tech to fix a problem with the machine apparently does not justify the need. I have to stick with a slash vest which is dubious even for a nice sharp knife. and that is apparently enough just because we live in Canada.
I make my rounds around this little rural hospital I work at in the pitch blackness at night, where barely 2 months ago somebody from this municipality came in to the ER with 2 stab wounds to his face. I have no defense against that except calling in the cavalry with my provincial radio that only works if I stand still for 5 minutes and the green reception light finally comes on.
If I come up against somebody who wants to hurt me, I'm screwed, especially if they can run faster than I can.
I would feel perfectly justified being able to conceal carry, in this country, in this province, and I would be happy as hell if it never came out of its hiding place. But that's why we buy insurance.
Sorry for the rant. But I just can't believe you've never heard of that douchebag.
redshooter
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I think wayupnorth's post is just pointing out that it truly is very unlikely we Canadians are going to be victims of a random violent crime. It could happen but odds are good it will be someone you know and you most likely saw it coming. If that's the case you do what you have to...
As for not being able to carry a Mag light a 2 cell D is just fine. If your employer won't let you carry that I think it's time to go work for someone else. I did mobile patrols in Calgary years ago, I realize laws change but I don't recall a flashlight being classified as a weapon unless you give someone a tap with it.
Since the criminal code is Canada wide I'm pretty sure this flashlight=weapon is a company policy or perhaps a provincial reg relating to security licensing.
As for not being able to carry a Mag light a 2 cell D is just fine. If your employer won't let you carry that I think it's time to go work for someone else. I did mobile patrols in Calgary years ago, I realize laws change but I don't recall a flashlight being classified as a weapon unless you give someone a tap with it.
Since the criminal code is Canada wide I'm pretty sure this flashlight=weapon is a company policy or perhaps a provincial reg relating to security licensing.
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I was told by my trainer that a 3 cell was officially considered a weapon for as far as my job was concerned. Of course I suppose he could be shovelling it to me, but I never double checked.
Like I said, I like to be non-partisan and I think I got a little emotional while typing out my post, but its just that 1 in 1000 thing that ends up killing you. I don't want to labour the point too much but even in my home town of 2000 people, a few years ago a girl I used to hang out with ended up with a dead boyfriend because a couple of kids decided his head would look good with a shovel imbedded in it. I used to walk those streets at night when I was in high school. You can't even TRY to get in trouble in that town.
I guess I'm saying that guns don't have to be the only thing that can seriously hurt or kill people. Anybody can buy a knife or a crowbar or a baseball bat or a shovel, and they're perfectly capable of killing somebody. A firearm would be a nice thing to have to make them keep their distance, and I've seen enough random acts of violence affect my good friends to think that all violence in this country is solely gang related. I get that chances of it happening may be few, but it's probably true that victims for the most part don't get a second chance, it only takes once. Whether it's 6 months or 40 years, dead is still dead, and being prepared for that long to have to maybe use it once would make you feel pretty good about carrying that useless chunk of steel in your coat for 4 decades.
Like I said, I like to be non-partisan and I think I got a little emotional while typing out my post, but its just that 1 in 1000 thing that ends up killing you. I don't want to labour the point too much but even in my home town of 2000 people, a few years ago a girl I used to hang out with ended up with a dead boyfriend because a couple of kids decided his head would look good with a shovel imbedded in it. I used to walk those streets at night when I was in high school. You can't even TRY to get in trouble in that town.
I guess I'm saying that guns don't have to be the only thing that can seriously hurt or kill people. Anybody can buy a knife or a crowbar or a baseball bat or a shovel, and they're perfectly capable of killing somebody. A firearm would be a nice thing to have to make them keep their distance, and I've seen enough random acts of violence affect my good friends to think that all violence in this country is solely gang related. I get that chances of it happening may be few, but it's probably true that victims for the most part don't get a second chance, it only takes once. Whether it's 6 months or 40 years, dead is still dead, and being prepared for that long to have to maybe use it once would make you feel pretty good about carrying that useless chunk of steel in your coat for 4 decades.
And if you're 18 there should be no restrictions on your use of alcohol, by some arguments.
Sorry, but I don't want Bubba SKS deciding to stuff his new Can Am 1911 in his pants just so he can feel like an alpha male.
This goes beyond a "shall issue with valid FAC" situation. Plenty of judgement-impaired people out there with firearms licenses. Just look in your local gravel (I mean garbage) pit.
Given that, I also want the Ian Thompsons of this country to be able to protect themselves when the need is abundantly clear (but not given a free pass from either the physical or psychological evaluation/training that would be required).
But I'm just a fudd, I guess.
Peace out
Sorry, but I don't want Bubba SKS deciding to stuff his new Can Am 1911 in his pants just so he can feel like an alpha male.
This goes beyond a "shall issue with valid FAC" situation. Plenty of judgement-impaired people out there with firearms licenses. Just look in your local gravel (I mean garbage) pit.
Given that, I also want the Ian Thompsons of this country to be able to protect themselves when the need is abundantly clear (but not given a free pass from either the physical or psychological evaluation/training that would be required).
But I'm just a fudd, I guess.
Peace out
