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anyone know the regs on towing strange military stuff?

We are towing a 25 pdr to fort George- the owner believes the gun is considered 'equiptment' and not a 'trailer' and thus requires NO lights....only a big orange triangle

Basically what farmers get away with...?
 
anyone know the regs on towing strange military stuff?

We are towing a 25 pdr to fort George- the owner believes the gun is considered 'equiptment' and not a 'trailer' and thus requires NO lights....only a big orange triangle

Basically what farmers get away with...?

In Manitoba you could tow artillery the way you described above only if the tow vehicle qualifies as a slow moving vehicle like a tractor. A simple call to your local chapter of the DOT could clear this up one way or another.

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Got this right off a government of Manitoba webisite in the section pertaining to slow moving vehicles.


Slow-Moving Vehicle Sign
HTA 76, Reg. 616

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Purpose of a slow-moving vehicle sign
A slow-moving vehicle sign (sign) warns other road users that the vehicle displaying the sign is travelling at 40 km/h or less.
What type of vehicle requires a sign?
Tractors and SPIH must display a sign on the rear. If one of these machines is towing one or more implements the sign or an additional sign, must be displayed on the rear of the combination.
Any vehicle including, but not limited to, construction equipment, street sweepers etc., that are not capable of attaining and sustaining a speed greater than 40 km/h must also display a sign. If one of these machines is towing a trailer(s), implement(s) or device(s), the sign or an additional sign, must be displayed on the rear of the combination.
When is a sign prohibited on a vehicle?
Only slow-moving vehicles or vehicles towed by slow moving vehicles are permitted to display a sign. A sign is prohibited from being displayed on a vehicle travelling in excess of 40 km/h.
Note: A tractor, combine, etc., on a float or trailer is considered a load, and it is recommended any visible sign be covered or removed.
When is a sign not required on a slow-moving vehicle?
A sign is not required when directly crossing a road with a vehicle or a combination mentioned above.
Towing implements with trucks
When towing an implement (e.g., wagon, tillage equipment, a header wagon, etc.) with a truck, a sign should be placed on the rear of the combination and the combination must travel at or under 40 km/h.
Where must the sign be located
The sign should be placed as close as practical to the centre of the rear of the vehicle and between .6 m (2 ft) and 2 m (6 ft.) above the road:
it must be clearly visible for a distance of not less than 150 m (500 ft);
the regulation sets out the minimum dimensions, shape, colour and reflectivity of the sign. The sign may be larger provided each dimension is increased by the same amount; and
a sign should be replaced when faded or damaged.
Are signs prohibited on fixed objects?
Yes. Attaching a sign to a fixed object, such as a roadside mailbox or driveway marker, is prohibited if it can be seen from the road.
Municipalities can post caution signs to warn motorists that slow moving vehicles often travel on their roads.
Are some slow-moving vehicles exempt?
Yes. Bicycles, mopeds and disabled vehicles being towed do not have to display the sign. Horse-drawn vehicles driven by a person whose religious beliefs do not permit him or her to use the sign are also exempt; however, the back of the carriage must be outlined with reflective tape that is visible from at least 150 m (500 ft).
 
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I'd call the MOT and ask. Been a long time since I've seen arty being towed in Ontario. A call to the 11th Field Regm't might be quicker. (905) 972-4000, Thursday night between 7:30pm and 9:30pm.
"...government of Manitoba..." Klunk isn't in MB. Rules may be close though.
 
Just tow it down the highway with a orange triangle on it. The cops won't know if its legal either and turn a blind eye. The CVSE might go after you so you might want to get a permit to tow it .
I would just run it down the highway as is. Don't get stressed out and get diarrhea over it. Just haul ass. Better yet haul it at night. Nobody will see it anyway.
 
The 25pdr or it's Limber has a hydraulic brake system on it, does this include the gun and limber or just the gun?



 
Note that they have a M series lamp beneath the gun, something like this CGT-limber-gun would no doubt be given a pass by a cop, plus it looks like its getting set up for a parade. whereas ripping down a highway with a slow moving vehicle triangle more in keeping with farm vehicles will draw unwanted attention. Just like knowing your stuff about firearms legalities I would say be 100% sure about where you stand in regards to the Ontario HTA. Bluffing and BS will only take you so far.
 
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I would say if the tow vehicle and tires on the gun are capable of traveling at faster then 40kph it may be considered a tailer.

If it was me I'd just load it on my bobcat trailer, strap it down and go. Just a thought.
 
this photo is exactly what im thinking of

no lights
no triangle
and NO plate...

this is acceptable?...is a gun a trailer?....or equiptment?...is there such a difference?

Rules are dependent on province. That setup has vintage plates from bc. Since you are in Ontario, it isn't of much help to you.

Call the commercial vehicle enforcement guys in your area. The guys at the commercial scales will know.
 
From talking with a couple contacts in the re-enactor circle, they say that the orange triangle is a must and that while the lights aren't necessarily a legal requirement, they are a generally accepted safety practice. Additionally, I have seen covers for the end of the muzzle with either a reflector on the end or bright colour.

When are you heading out to the fort?
 
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Phone Rick at the Canadian Military Heritage Museum in Brantford, Ontario. 519-759-1313 They have a couple of 25 pounders, one complete with Quad and Limber, and they move them around. He can probably give you an idea of what it required for Ontario.
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From talking with a couple contacts in the re-enactor circle, they say that the orange triangle is a must and that while the lights aren't necessarily a legal requirement, they are a generally accepted safety practice. Additionally, I have seen covers for the end of the muzzle with either a reflector on the end or bright colour.

When are you heading out to the fort?
And therein lays the problem with this post, turn instead to the law enforcement community or the licensing folks to get a straight answer not some half baked re-enactor practices that they just have not been caught doing yet.
 
I would say if the tow vehicle and tires on the gun are capable of traveling at faster then 40kph it may be considered a tailer.

If it was me I'd just load it on my bobcat trailer, strap it down and go. Just a thought.

Here you go this guy is offering to haul it for ya. Problem solved just line it up with him. Tinman204 just saved the day!!!!
 
Here you go this guy is offering to haul it for ya. Problem solved just line it up with him. Tinman204 just saved the day!!!!

If I was closer I would be all over hauling artillery!!

Op, I check the gov of Ontario website and the rules I posted from Manitoba are the same. Hang an orange triangle on it and don't go more then 40kph and you should be fine.
 
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NELSON - You are acting silly. Is that a result of your trip to the Strip Joint in Post Falls, or a result of enjoying the wife's new Calgary boob job? Or maybe, helping with the Harvest up in the Slocan Valley? Laugh2
 
I wouldn`t tow a 25pdr anywhere on its wheels. They haven`t made that rubber in half-a-century. The tires will be hard as oak and likely have flat spots. Nope, wheel it up onto a float or flatbed and give the old girl a ride. And, it saves trying to find another set of presentable wartime pattern chevron tires.

Last Canada Day I was in a convoy of historic vehicles from the Swords and Plowshares Museum outside Ottawa, enroute to Merrickville. The owner of the museum had a towed 155 behind a 5-ton. The air brakes hung up or a spring jammed, and the brake pads dragged. It was smoking like crazy. I expected it to catch fire. Always expect the unexpected.
 
Its a good job that you are not dealing with the L5 pack howitzer that we used briefly in the early 1970s. These were Italian built (attsa my gun) and could be quickly knocked down for mule/helicopter transport in mountain warfare. The carriages were pretty fragile and the wheel bearings were not suitable for high speed/long distance towing. 3RCHA had them in Shilo and they had to be loaded on deuce-and -a -halfs (portees) for movement because towing would quickly toast the wheel bearings. It was a less than satisfactory arrangement as the gun tower became the gun hauler which displaced any possibility of transporting ammo in the truck. They were soon given up in favor of the rugged old towed 105s, although I believe that they were used in the Airborne battery for some time thereafter.
 
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