Does my skin color or race change how my opinion will be viewed? Ask yourself that first.
for the record, no, I am not First Nation, I am a native Canadian though, if that's what you are asking.
Native Moose Derby
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Does my skin color or race change how my opinion will be viewed? Ask yourself that first.
for the record, no, I am not First Nation, I am a native Canadian though, if that's what you are asking.
The problem as I see it is game management. How do our game managers set seasons and limits when we have so much unregulated hunting. What is the annual harvest??? Can this harvest be maintained? A good example of what unregulated hunting has done is the Duck Mountain area in Manitoba. This was once one of the best Moose areas in Manitoba. Now it has been shut down. If we are to have hunting opportunities in the future we are all going to have to work together. I do not have a problem with sustenance hunting for those that truly are living off the land but truly how many really require this.
Set skin color aside... Should the same rules regarding responsible game management not apply to everyone? All groups?... I submit that you are being racist by advocating different rules for different ethnicities... Shouldn't we all be advocating the same game management processes where they are needed?
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Ya, and at one time you did tell us that you have killed close to 60 moose, correct? At your age that would be what 2-3 moose per year and some years more, correct? Just curious is all...
If you would like I can recall the post where that statement was made.
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NShunter1254
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I am Native, born and raised on Six Nations, here are my answers - Yes- about 20,000 dollars worth of taxes per year but I don't pay any of the optional ones, no- I worked my way thru university - TWICE, nope - I have to work, I have never raped anything - not even my nieces or nephews as many on cgn would believe otherwise.
Am I equal to all others, not even close, especially on CGN. Most of you think of me as you have described. Do I care - f##k NO.
It bothers me when we head in this direction. So many stereotypes and general BS. Someone saw this , heard that, whatever. There are A-holes in all races. I am right now sitting in a hospital room for the past week across from a man my age who has become my friend. He was in a residential school. You want to talk equal rights, how about we start there? There are inequities absolutely. Very frustrating ones to be sure. Many of the attitudes expressed here will make sure that condition will continue to exist. As an earlier poster mentioned it is up to us to change this. It starts at the dinner table. There is no motivation for the government to do this. They have made that plain. i would rather we told the government what to do anyway, not the other way round. Rant off.
You guys are fighting without weapons, I am NOT First Nation, do you really think they are the only ones with rights? Also, how many people travel to hunt every year, North America wide?
How is my asking why my skin color or race changes what you think of me, or how you view what I say, making me racist? Sheesh. I also never said once I agreed wit the rules, laws, or different treatment, I said for racism and hate to stop, it has to stop with US, so our children don't end up acting like we do.
Bah, I got baited back into this by closed minded fools again.....
How is my asking why my skin color or race changes what you think of me, or how you view what I say, making me racist? Sheesh. I also never said once I agreed wit the rules, laws, or different treatment, I said for racism and hate to stop, it has to stop with US, so our children don't end up acting like we do.
Bah, I got baited back into this by closed minded fools again.....
NShunter1254
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Now it's insults.
Funny when the media got hold of the story about the wolf derby in Fort St John then David Suzuki n that all got involved to try and shut it down. Even went to the BC Gaming Commission to try and get it classified as illegal gaming / gambling. Their excuse was that it doesn't take any skill to kill a wolf and therefore it was just a lottery!!
The Native hunting rights thing need to reviewed just like many of the other issues involved.
Clinging to a right that was granted in the previous century (because it works in a groups favor ) while demanding that everything else ( that isn't in your favor) be revisited is mindboggling.
When the right was granted, no-one visualized the equipment that is being used in this era.
Seriously, lets get the Gov't to sit down and do a fair assessment of all aspects, not the one's cherry picked to scrutinize as it'll benefit a particular group.
Generally if a person needs to hunt for sustenance they'll do it, rules non-withstanding. And race, color and creed non-withstanding too. My dad said I never tasted beef til I left Sask at age 5...and we are not native. Did he jack deer? Well he took what was req'd to feed his family, didn't waste any either. Wrong legally; yeah. Morally...well, he owned the land that fed the deer and he needed to feed a family...some would say wrong, but a lot would look the other way as long as it wasn't being flaunted about.
Giving a whole ethnicity Carte Blanche on game just invites abuses.
Review all aspects of the way Natives are treated, it's needed and it's time.
Clinging to a right that was granted in the previous century (because it works in a groups favor ) while demanding that everything else ( that isn't in your favor) be revisited is mindboggling.
When the right was granted, no-one visualized the equipment that is being used in this era.
Seriously, lets get the Gov't to sit down and do a fair assessment of all aspects, not the one's cherry picked to scrutinize as it'll benefit a particular group.
Generally if a person needs to hunt for sustenance they'll do it, rules non-withstanding. And race, color and creed non-withstanding too. My dad said I never tasted beef til I left Sask at age 5...and we are not native. Did he jack deer? Well he took what was req'd to feed his family, didn't waste any either. Wrong legally; yeah. Morally...well, he owned the land that fed the deer and he needed to feed a family...some would say wrong, but a lot would look the other way as long as it wasn't being flaunted about.
Giving a whole ethnicity Carte Blanche on game just invites abuses.
Review all aspects of the way Natives are treated, it's needed and it's time.
Take a look at all the American visitors who come to Canada to hunt moose, bear and the world famous Sask Whitetail deer... There is your starting point... And anyone who knows a few things about hunting knows that "trophy" animals are the seed animals... Generally a person who knows this does not target the seed bulls or the seed boars or the seed bucks... Because they are the breeders of healthy stock. Also, how many hunters can hunt effectively; when an animal is not in the rut...? How many guys here hunt with a bow, muzzle loader, shotgun and rifle...? And do all those hunts every year...? How many guys here use all or most of the animal after they have harvested their kill...? How much food from the land does one need to sustain ones needs...? How many guys here have seen umpteen hinting videos where guys start crying or freaking out on film because they just killed the biggest buck of their life... As well, how many guys here share their kill with extended family, elders and single parents...? And if the majority of canadian hunters foster negative views of natives, how many guys here want to go back to a homeland where the upper classes have all the benefits and the average joe can't get out to hunt because he owns no land of his own and even if he has permission, lacks the means to hunt. If you need data, I can back all of this up... Yet I'd rather move on to a thread that is more educational and meaningful... And, thankfully my moose is down and shared.
Highwind... I think you hit it on the head here although somewhat unintentionally... You mention "good hunters" yet what we fail to realize is that there are people who are not "good hunters" of all races... When you give people a license to practice bad hunting as is given to the natives in many cases you are just creating a license to practice poor game management... The natives people have seen flaunting the rules that the "white man" has to follow is what gives you a bad name... Believe me, I am all too familiar with the white man overindulging where there are freedoms as well... It's why I can't take my two sons perch fishing on the saint lawrence and have them catch supper as I used to do as a child... The allowance was there and people took advantage... Bottom line is this... Why is the allowance bigger for one group than another and why is it left open for the "bad hunters" to take advantage of?
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Sounds like fun. I'm willing to bet that every family member of the hunters, friend and neighbor will end up with a moose dinner or two.....I only regret not being able to share the experience too. Alas I'm only 4th generation Canadian.
And for the record I can no longer hunt on my parents land, why you ask? Because there USED to be a large herd of deer there, so much so that a native friend of the family was asked to take a deer from the herd in an effort to save the gardens and apple trees that were being browsed into oblivion. After this friend of the family learned that one of dads neighbors and his sons/friends shot 12 of them in the first 3 days of the season, he declined my fathers offer. He didn't want to take the last one, unlike the band of non native hunters up the road that continued to hunt the rest of the season. There are now 3 deer left in the area none of which is a buck, it will take years to recover that herd.
And for the record I can no longer hunt on my parents land, why you ask? Because there USED to be a large herd of deer there, so much so that a native friend of the family was asked to take a deer from the herd in an effort to save the gardens and apple trees that were being browsed into oblivion. After this friend of the family learned that one of dads neighbors and his sons/friends shot 12 of them in the first 3 days of the season, he declined my fathers offer. He didn't want to take the last one, unlike the band of non native hunters up the road that continued to hunt the rest of the season. There are now 3 deer left in the area none of which is a buck, it will take years to recover that herd.
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I would love to have a look at your "data."
