What to do with 45Lbs. of brass and a golf ball????

without further insults?
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Did I hurt your feelings?

Now before anyone has to hide in a corner and cry I don't necessarily think you are wrong...

But when Halger gets his 'bronze pipe' turned down and sticks it in a big wooden carriage and wheels it out into the backyard...I really doubt the RCMP super-duper secret squirrel tactical team is going to fast rope into his yard and taze his sorry ass...

but yes...TECHNICALLY it should have a 18" barrel and a 26" carriage and should be verified by the gun techs in Ottawa and registered and then deregistered with a letter from the pope verifying its status as a homemade, bronze, 50pd baby killing black nuclear powder device...
 
Canadian_Zuk said:
LOL, yeah unfortunately I was born and raised here. Your snotty comment aside, am I wrong?

I don't mind being wrong, but my understanding of the firearms act is anything ignited via percussion is a firearm. I also believe a non restricted firearm must have an 18" barrel and 26" OAL. Using your 66mm percussion cannon as an example is not really comparing apples to apples as your barrel is obviously longer than the 12" hunk of brass the original poster is working with.

Can you please enlighten me as to where I've gone wrong with my reasoning, without further insults?
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considering these guns don't get held when firing I think there's a few different rules id make it fuse my self because its easier to make
 
Klunk said:
the long gun registry is gone-Yer ok to do percussion cannons now!
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False statement in the OPs case as he is using a 12" barrel. It WILL a prohibited device if percussion fired. period.

Canadian_Zuk said:
Not with a 12" barrel he can't.
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Klunk said:
you must be from that town in Ontario...WetBlanket?
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I'm from wet blanket town because I contradicted you advising the OP to break the law; now that the long gun registry is gone? OK, I see your point.:rolleyes:


Canadian_Zuk said:
LOL, yeah unfortunately I was born and raised here. Your snotty comment aside, am I wrong?

I don't mind being wrong, but my understanding of the firearms act is anything ignited via percussion is a firearm. I also believe a non restricted firearm must have an 18" barrel and 26" OAL. Using your 66mm percussion cannon as an example is not really comparing apples to apples as your barrel is obviously longer than the 12" hunk of brass the original poster is working with.

Can you please enlighten me as to where I've gone wrong with my reasoning, without further insults?
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Klunk said:
Did I hurt your feelings?

Now before anyone has to hide in a corner and cry I don't necessarily think you are wrong...
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Nobody's feeling are hurt and nobody is crying in a corner. I'm trying to see where your going with this. Of course I'm not wrong, I know am correct. I'm just curious why you are counseling Halger to break the law.

Klunk said:
But when Halger gets his 'bronze pipe' turned down and sticks it in a big wooden carriage and wheels it out into the backyard...I really doubt the RCMP super-duper secret squirrel tactical team is going to fast rope into his yard and taze his sorry ass...
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They most certainly would in Ontario. And Halger would find himself with a lifetime ban and whole world of hurt if his 12" cannon was percussion fired.

Klunk said:
but yes...TECHNICALLY it should have a 18" barrel and a 26" carriage and should be verified by the gun techs in Ottawa and registered and then deregistered with a letter from the pope verifying its status as a homemade, bronze, 50pd baby killing black nuclear powder device...
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There is no "technically" about it. The law is VERY clear with in this regard. That is WHY we build mini cannons(under 18") to be lit by a fuse or touch hole. THAT is the exemption to keep them LEGAL.


antiqueguy said:
considering these guns don't get held when firing I think there's a few different rules id make it fuse my self because its easier to make
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Yes, there are different rules. I am familiar with them. Klunk is not.
 
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Come in to my shop my friend.
Sit by the heater and dry your blanket.

I have in my possession a non-restricted, center-fire rifle. It is magazine fed and able to contain more than 10 cartridges. This firearm has a 16" barrel. the OAL meets the legal specification.

Even if was to be a restricted firearm. Nothing in the Law states that I cannot build it.
Only that it must then be registered. and of course jump a few hoops.

There is little doubt in my mind that I am indeed a manufacturer.
Albeit a private, and not a commercially licensed and regulated manufacturer.

From Webster's.
[SUP]1[/SUP]man·u·fac·ture

noun \ˌman-yə-ˈfak-chər, ˌma-nə-\ : the process of making products especially with machines in factories




1: something made from raw materials by hand or by machinery

2a : the process of making wares by hand or by machinery especially when carried on systematically with division of labor
b : a productive industry using mechanical power and machinery

3: the act or process of producing something
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As for the firing mechanism...

I suppose I could span a century or three, and introduce electronic ignition.

Thank you for your comments.
Discussion is good Eh!:)



Canadian_Zuk said:
LOL, yeah unfortunately I was born and raised here. Your snotty comment aside, am I wrong?

I don't mind being wrong, but my understanding of the firearms act is anything ignited via percussion is a firearm. I also believe a non restricted firearm must have an 18" barrel and 26" OAL. Using your 66mm percussion cannon as an example is not really comparing apples to apples as your barrel is obviously longer than the 12" hunk of brass the original poster is working with.

Can you please enlighten me as to where I've gone wrong with my reasoning, without further insults?
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LOL, No hard feelings this is a good thread. I like to debate. One catch, to qualify it must be a commercially manufactured short barrel. For that you would require a manufacturers license. Do you have one of these?
 
Only on CGN would there be arguments on legalities in the BP and antiques forum...

ANNNYWAY...

here are a couple photos of my 209 primer setup (don't laugh, it works!)


hammer dropped


hammer cocked showing primer cup/holder

yes, the hammer is a sharpened bolt...this allows some adjustment in where the 'point' impacts the primer
 
As I mentioned above, no, I do not.
I am a Canadian Citizen, engaged in the process of legally manufacturing a gun for my own use and pleasure.

You seem well informed on the requirements, as you indicate that I do not meet them.
How would I become a recognized commercial manufacturer?

Or.....
Instead of a small Mountain Gun that shoots used golf balls.
I will build a combination Signalling Device/Tree Marking Device.

This device will fire a golf-ball sized marking projectile, to mark trees for further attention.
In the interest of safety, A very loud sound is incorporated in each use.
Warning other peasants toiling in the King's forest.

I believe that. For the sake of nostalgia only of course.
The exterior design, shall remain what it would have been without change.

And so I make the manufacturing change officially to the new designation.

Signalling/Marking Device for the use of.
TYPE > MGB1 MARK 1 CANADIAN. :canadaFlag:

Am I good now?:)





Canadian_Zuk said:
LOL, No hard feelings this is a good thread. I like to debate. One catch, to qualify it must be a commercially manufactured short barrel. For that you would require a manufacturers license. Do you have one of these?
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Pardon me if I am way off base, but due to it being black powder and muzzle loading(I assume), isn't it exempt from all the "normal" firearms rules?

Heck, if I remember right, you don't even need a PAL to buy a muzzle loader?
 
First facing cut.
The untouched area in the center is roughly the size of the bore.
The cut on the end/side of the round was present when I got it.
After all, It is a piece of scrap metal Eh!:)

MGB1 Face.JPG
 
True futility!H:S:d:h::bangHead:
A war of words, over victimless, paper crimes.:rolleyes:

Nevertheless, one should exercise all due caution in these matters.

In the words of the Elders.
That there firing mechanism looks Right Skookum.
Maybe even stronger than that Eh!


Klunk said:
Only on CGN would there be arguments on legalities in the BP and antiques forum...

ANNNYWAY...

here are a couple photos of my 209 primer setup (don't laugh, it works!)
hammer dropped
hammer cocked showing primer cup/holder

yes, the hammer is a sharpened bolt...this allows some adjustment in where the 'point' impacts the primer
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Pistonbroke12ga said:
Pardon me if I am way off base, but due to it being black powder and muzzle loading(I assume), isn't it exempt from all the "normal" firearms rules?
Heck, if I remember right, you don't even need a PAL to buy a muzzle loader?
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You don't need a PAL to buy a flintlock muzzleloader. If it is percussion fired it becomes evil, wicked, mean and nasty. BP handguns are all restricted unless they were built before 1898 and not a common caliber. That's what the argument is about. 12" barrel percussion fired arguably becomes a restricted and needs to be registered. I really don't have an opinion as I think its a ridiculous law and should be ignored whenever possible. I've got three feet (that's 36 inches so relax people) of round stock laying around that just begs to be bored out to 2". Klunk's ignition system looks just about right.
 
bdft said:
BP handguns are all restricted unless they were built before 1898 and not a common caliber.
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a lead ball and some BP are uncommon?

its ridiculous....many people buy flintlock reproduction guns....then they buy a replacement PERCUSSION lock for it-and have no idea they TECHNICALLY break some retarded law

when it comes to cannons-on wheels-that are made mostly to display on your coffee table-it gives me icecream brain freeze just thinking about it...

another unit I made-golf ball cal-fuze fired
 
bdft said:
You don't need a PAL to buy a flintlock muzzleloader. If it is percussion fired it becomes evil, wicked, mean and nasty. BP handguns are all restricted unless they were built before 1898 and not a common caliber. That's what the argument is about. 12" barrel percussion fired arguably becomes a restricted and needs to be registered. I really don't have an opinion as I think its a ridiculous law and should be ignored whenever possible. I've got three feet (that's 36 inches so relax people) of round stock laying around that just begs to be bored out to 2". Klunk's ignition system looks just about right.
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problem is, how many people out there are willing to risk their lifestyle, and that of their family fighting the stupid laws ?. i know at $13 an hour im not about to go to court over it as id be screwed if i lost or if i won as id be bankrupt and living with my parents again, along with my wife, and 3 kids. my family is reason enough for me to follow the "stupid rules" to a T.

if i was single, and raking in over 60k a year. i might consider it. but being that i barely get half of that, with a family, i wouldn't touch anything even close to illegal.

as for the OP. that will make a nice cannon when you are done with it. gonna be a bugger to get a steady rest to work for it.
 
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