Concealed Carry in Canada....

I really like some of the input this thread has generated.....there's definitely lots to think about and consider isn't there? I know for myself, I've been educated by members who have really thought this out. This was the point of the thread.
 
I carry a gun all the time - okay I live in Virginia, and have a CWP for the state.

Despite what some feel, guns an inanimate objects that just don't jump out and cause crimes, nor do they whisper sweat nothings in your ear inciting you to violence.
Someone bent on committing a crime is going to take a weapon anyway regardless of the laws of the land. The best chance of stopping further violence is an armed civilian.
 
My vision of CCW in Canada, I don't think that automatically if you own a restricated PAL you should be able to carry, we've all seen stupid people doing stupid things at ranges and outside ranges: ''accidental'' discharge, people that are ALL OVER THE PLACE with a 9mm 10meters away (or not even on target as a matter of fact)

So, you freely admit that the onerous rules we currently have do nothing to prevent stupid people from doing stupid things. Then you go on to say that MORE RULES are the answer to this problem? How is any of what you said logical with that as your basis? Do you also realize that a large percentage of police officers wouldn't qualify to carry for work under the system you proposed?

Why are Canadian gun owners so mistrustful of their fellow citizens that they need this enormous blanket of excessive government regulation to let them sleep at night?


##### the nanny state.

:cheers:


Mark
 
I carry a gun all the time - okay I live in Virginia, and have a CWP for the state.

Despite what some feel, guns an inanimate objects that just don't jump out and cause crimes, nor do they whisper sweat nothings in your ear inciting you to violence.
Someone bent on committing a crime is going to take a weapon anyway regardless of the laws of the land. The best chance of stopping further violence is an armed civilian.


That why Australia the UK is a mass murder and crime orgie
 
So, you freely admit that the onerous rules we currently have do nothing to prevent stupid people from doing stupid things. Then you go on to say that MORE RULES are the answer to this problem? How is any of what you said logical with that as your basis? Do you also realize that a large percentage of police officers wouldn't qualify to carry for work under the system you proposed?

Why are Canadian gun owners so mistrustful of their fellow citizens that they need this enormous blanket of excessive government regulation to let them sleep at night?




:cheers:


Mark

Yes and No.

Yes I agree with the fact that the gun control method in Canada (or anywhere) doesn't prevent violent crimes to happen because like its been said many times, criminals don't follow laws. I don't think the current ''laws'' are meant to control but to ''disarm'' us. But it doesn't mean that ANYONE, just because they have the right and they properly filled up a piece of paper should be allowed carrying a weapon in public for different reasons. You have different classes for driving licence which requires that you qualify for it in order to get it. You don't asking for a truck licence with no courses and the clerk just gives it to you because you have a normal driver licence. Want it simple: Get your RPAL, get 2-3 years of ''shooting experience'' and then request CCW, just like the learner licence.

Because carrying is absolutly no big deal, but it implies that if an event happen and you choose to use this weapon to defend your life or your family or the life of an other citizen, this choice my friend, you will live with it wheter it means jail time because your were to dumb/cheap to use proper personnal defense ammunition (HP) and your FMJ went thru the bad guy, thru a wall and thru someone's head because you didn't think further than ''killing the bad guy'' or a medal from mayor/elected people for saving the day. Or maybe you missed 4-5-6 shots because you're very good at the 10m lane on paper target but lost your ''skills'' and decided to engage at 45m, and I've seen the last one happen on ranges, people overestimating their skills/weapons. That could go on and on but you get it right ?

Cops and some trades in the Army receive not only shooting training (and bare with me, it doesn't mean its sufficient) but we also get a lot of training about making that choice, when is it acceptable to use LETHAL FORCE know as Rules Of Engagement, because this is what CCW/self defense really comes too. So yes it would make sense to have some criterias that you have to meet, in order to carry a weapon on you in public and possibly make a life or death decision.

For the trust level, I'm in the Army and the word ''accidental discharge'' gets thru my mind. I believe, for me at least, it is not a matter of trust but more of proof. The driver licence example again: to get it you MUST succeed to a test in order to proove that you understant some laws and basics of driving. If someone can proove that he/she understand the laws which I refered as ''rules of engagement'' and that this person is not only able to use a sidearm, but use it with a degree of precision, its enough for me

I'm not saying that this is how it should be, not saying that I'm right and everything else is wrong, I'm just expressing my view about what CCW could be in Canada. If we could at least get rid of the ATT and allow us to use restricted firearms the same way we use non-restricted... I mean, shooting a 9mm in a gravel pit is no more dangerous than a 30-06 or a shotgun eh ? That would be a great start. And I would be more than happy to ''argue'' about this subject while having a beer with fellow gun nutz here. We're all aiming in the same direction here: CCW :p
 
I carry a gun all the time - okay I live in Virginia, and have a CWP for the state.

Despite what some feel, guns an inanimate objects that just don't jump out and cause crimes, nor do they whisper sweat nothings in your ear inciting you to violence.
Someone bent on committing a crime is going to take a weapon anyway regardless of the laws of the land. The best chance of stopping further violence is an armed civilian.

Where is this place you come from? Sounds like heaven, or land of the free or something? Perhaps a home for the Brave? Sign me up, how do I get there from here!?
 
I carry a gun all the time - okay I live in Virginia, and have a CWP for the state.

Despite what some feel, guns an inanimate objects that just don't jump out and cause crimes, nor do they whisper sweat nothings in your ear inciting you to violence.
Someone bent on committing a crime is going to take a weapon anyway regardless of the laws of the land. The best chance of stopping further violence is an armed civilian.

yep, answer is to arm everyone. us vs canadian per capita stats be damned - they are the work of the devil

i for 1 am glad canada doesn't have ccw/cwp or whatever fu(k you wanna call it, half the idiots i see on the range are liable to shoot themselves or innocent bystanders rather than hit the broad side of a barn

are canadian gun laws stupid? no doubt BUT i would still live here rather than south of the border - you all have the choice if you disagree.
 
Correct me if i'm out of line but I don't want a bunch of a*#$&@#s running around with concealed pistols legal or not. I'm actually afraid of "good" men who lay awake in bed and get hard ons over CCW and shooting "bad" guys with pistols, you guys know who you are ;)

I support castle law!
 
yep, answer is to arm everyone. us vs canadian per capita stats be damned - they are the work of the devil

i for 1 am glad canada doesn't have ccw/cwp or whatever fu(k you wanna call it, half the idiots i see on the range are liable to shoot themselves or innocent bystanders rather than hit the broad side of a barn

are canadian gun laws stupid? no doubt BUT i would still live here rather than south of the border - you all have the choice if you disagree.

The only places in the US with worse gun violence rates per capita than Canada are the cities like Chicago, and DC that have tighter gun laws than Canada. If I could live in the US I would, and probably will end up retiring there. By the time I retire, I'm pretty sure there won't be any firearms owners in Canada, and it's just too much a part of who I am for me to ever give them up.
 
Any CCW courses I've done in the US, the emphasis was on the law and shoot/don't shoot situations...pistol craft, like driving, was dependent on YOU to improve your skills, if you chose to do so..
 
Whether or not I would regularly carry if CCW was approved is unsure but I think we *should* have the choice to do so. Despite what the social engineers are telling us I really don't think the general populace is becoming more civilized.....
 
If you are a firearms enthusiast, most likely you will favor CCW. I mean, this is a firearms forums so, obviously most people here would support it. But the running theme is, Canadians are not like Americans. The media/government for some reason have had a negative spin on the rights of owning firearms. There could be 20 car deaths over a weekend, and a shooting, but you know what will get the most coverage? As some previous people have mentioned, there are too many liberals in this country to see CCW come to a realization. Now, I know it exists currently in a limited capacity, we are all referring to CCW that anyone can apply for without a criminal record etc..I just don't see it happening anytime soon, if ever.
 
If you are a firearms enthusiast, most likely you will favor CCW. I mean, this is a firearms forums so, obviously most people here would support it. But the running theme is, Canadians are not like Americans. The media/government for some reason have had a negative spin on the rights of owning firearms. There could be 20 car deaths over a weekend, and a shooting, but you know what will get the most coverage? As some previous people have mentioned, there are too many liberals in this country to see CCW come to a realization. Now, I know it exists currently in a limited capacity, we are all referring to CCW that anyone can apply for without a criminal record etc..I just don't see it happening anytime soon, if ever.

Especially if Liberal Justin wins the next election. God what a scary thought that is !
 
I moved to Canada in 2007, from a European country where civilian CCW is allowed under strict conditions. Among those that were carrying firearms, I've known extremely responsible individuals as well as those that should not even be allowed to get near a toy gun...

I carried a Colt Government on me for 5 years. That gun actually made me more cautious about my surroundings and behavior. I thought about this for some time; why I was more careful with gun? The answer I came up with is to do with after math of a potential gun fight. I could be seriously injured, or got killed; which in some cases could be a better situation compared to actually killing a human being, jail time, family left behind, killing somebody innocent, etc, and living with it a life time...

Eventually I realized I was getting stressed out when I was carrying the weapon and in time I realized I was carrying it only when I was driving long distances and/or during hunting.

Above being said, I would do anything and everything in my power to protect my family; no matter how law would consider such a situation. When worst comes to worst, as long as my kids are going to be safe probably I won't care where I end up. I don't know if any father or mother can state otherwise.

My frustration is more focused on the opposition on self defense. I'm not exactly sure what law states, but seems like if you encounter a gun fight in your home, no matter what actually happens, home owner is considered guilty until proved otherwise. I think that must be changed first; CCW would be the next step.

I personally think law abiding citizens, under well regulated conditions, should be allowed CCW. As long as governments can't take away 100% of firearms away from criminals, good people should be given opportunity to protect themselves in reasonably equal grounds when they chose to do so. When such criminals, for whatever reason, hand over all their firearms I would give away my CCW permit next day (if I had one)...
 
My frustration is more focused on the opposition on self defense. I'm not exactly sure what law states, but seems like if you encounter a gun fight in your home, no matter what actually happens, home owner is considered guilty until proved otherwise. I think that must be changed first; CCW would be the next step.

I personally think law abiding citizens, under well regulated conditions, should be allowed CCW. As long as governments can't take away 100% of firearms away from criminals, good people should be given opportunity to protect themselves in reasonably equal grounds when they chose to do so. When such criminals, for whatever reason, hand over all their firearms I would give away my CCW permit next day (if I had one)...

I agree with you on those points!

And as much as I would like to CCW, I look around at the general public and see a lot of people that shouldn't.
 
Whether or not I would regularly carry if CCW was approved is unsure but I think we *should* have the choice to do so. Despite what the social engineers are telling us I really don't think the general populace is becoming more civilized.....

I feel having the choice is the only way to go.. Agree #96
 
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