Concealed Carry in Canada....

[mini15]

Obviously I agree with CCW but at the same time I don't think it's all it's cracked up too be. Some pro-gun people actually think it's the be all and end all of crime.

First of all carrying a gun day in and day out would get annoying. After the novelty wears off and it would it would start becoming more a "sometimes" thing then a glovebox thing then you wouldn't be bothered half the time, especially if you live in good areas and the chance of something happening is like 0.0001.


I don't think CCW is all it's cracked up to be because if somebody really wants something done on you, CCW isn't doing ####.

*Knock Knock*
"Whos there?"
*Gun in your face*

CCW isn't doing ####.

"Hey do you have a light"
"Uh, no"
*Gun in your face*

*Pick up morning paper*
*POP* Blackness... You've just been shot in the head.

About two months ago at this mall close to where I work there was a double homicide. Two men were idling in a car and a man came up and unloaded a whole mag in both their faces, even left the gun at the scene. The two perps in the car were carrying a gun too. They didn't even know what hit them, before they even saw the guy they were dead.

CCW seems like a thing that would only stop half assed unthoughtful criminals and drunken hobos trying to rob you with a rusty steak knife.

 

[Onagoth]

Obviously I agree with CCW but at the same time I don't think it's all it's cracked up too be. Some pro-gun people actually think it's the be all and end all of crime.

First of all carrying a gun day in and day out would get annoying. After the novelty wears off and it would it would start becoming more a "sometimes" thing then a glovebox thing then you wouldn't be bothered half the time, especially if you live in good areas and the chance of something happening is like 0.0001.


I don't think CCW is all it's cracked up to be because if somebody really wants something done on you, CCW isn't doing ####.

*Knock Knock*
"Whos there?"
*Gun in your face*

CCW isn't doing ####.

"Hey do you have a light"
"Uh, no"
*Gun in your face*

*Pick up morning paper*
*POP* Blackness... You've just been shot in the head.

About two months ago at this mall close to where I work there was a double homicide. Two men were idling in a car and a man came up and unloaded a whole mag in both their faces, even left the gun at the scene. The two perps in the car were carrying a gun too. They didn't even know what hit them, before they even saw the guy they were dead.

CCW seems like a thing that would only stop half assed unthoughtful criminals and drunken hobos trying to rob you with a rusty steak knife.

Well...none of that is actually an argument against CCW, its just conjecture.

And most people who carry a firearm for self-defense recognize that the firearm is only one aspect....amongst other things are important concepts like awareness and avoidance.

 

[Mr.S]

CCW coming to Canada?

lmfao

 

[Mr.S]

^^^Those conditions are for the privileged few, Crown Prosecutors, high end lawyers, maybe even a few RCMP stoolies, not the average citizen. Oops I mean subject.

I think the word you were looking for was "peasant".

 

[kel226]

I agree with post #100

 

[enefgee]

About two months ago at this mall close to where I work there was a double homicide. Two men were idling in a car and a man came up and unloaded a whole mag in both their faces, even left the gun at the scene. The two perps in the car were carrying a gun too. They didn't even know what hit them, before they even saw the guy they were dead.

One assumes that you are referring to a hit by one group of gang members on another group of gang members, in the event that the shooting had turned into a gunfight, would you have been happy to hunker down behind a planter, with your wife and kids, and possibly 3 or 4 strangers, or would you have preferred to be able to send a "stern message of disapproval", to the combatants?

 

[DrakeriderCa]

One assumes that you are referring to a hit by one group of gang members on another group of gang members, in the event that the shooting had turned into a gunfight, would you have been happy to hunker down behind a planter, with your wife and kids, and possibly 3 or 4 strangers, or would you have preferred to be able to send a "stern message of disapproval", to the combatants?

So in this scenario, who exactly do you shoot at? What if one of the groups of combatants were undercover police officers who were executing a warrant or doing a hot stop? If the two groups aren't directly targeting you, you're better off either escaping or staying behind cover and only using your firearm if the scenario shifts and one of the groups tries to harm you.

 

[rocco]

There is no novelty in self defence.....In Canada, people don't want to defend there-self they expect the police to do it.... but they forget that only help comes if you or someone calls them.... Just pointing a firearm at a criminal will stop him or them.... I would rather have the choice to CCW with a .000000001 chance, rather then hope....

 

[KevinB]

So in this scenario, who exactly do you shoot at? What if one of the groups of combatants were undercover police officers who were executing a warrant or doing a hot stop? If the two groups aren't directly targeting you, you're better off either escaping or staying behind cover and only using your firearm if the scenario shifts and one of the groups tries to harm you.

#1) Evac family, CWP holders have no duty of care to others, unlike an off duty Policeman who if sees a felony must act (even if its observe and report).

I type this message with a pistol holstered on my hip...

 

[enefgee]

So in this scenario, who exactly do you shoot at? What if one of the groups of combatants were undercover police officers who were executing a warrant or doing a hot stop? If the two groups aren't directly targeting you, you're better off either escaping or staying behind cover and only using your firearm if the scenario shifts and one of the groups tries to harm you.

Personally, if I'm armed in that situation, I'll cover a retreat - a covered retreat is preferable to being stuck in a disadvantageous position while bullets are flying, it also beats bending over and kissing your butt and the butts of loved ones, good-bye. Police are unlikely to direct shots away from the target of their affections, 2 sets of bad guys will shoot at anything - in which case I'd prefer to be armed and at a distance.

 

[cadgo]

Can't believe there are so many gun owners in Canada still against CCW. I moved down here, bought 2 pistols in parking lots, got a permit and have been carrying since. All legally. 15% of my county (30k people) have permits to carry and crime is lower than a comparable Canadian city.

This IWB almost every day.

PS, since there are no storage laws it is loaded 24/7 and I have yet to shoot myself in the face.


It is almost like all that nanny state garbage is completely useless.....

 

[Canuck44]

Is this nonsense still alive. We are just one election and mass shooting away from losing the legal right to own handguns and some seriously think CCW is a viable option for Canada. Really?

FYI out crime rates have fallen just as fast as the US due for the most part because the baby boomers aged. We old farts either are in prison or have learned it all ain't worth the effort. In any event old folks commit less crimes then young folks and the baby boom bubble created the bulge in crime rates and also accounts for the crime rate decline. The problem with the argument that armed citizens reduce crime is that armed citizens do the crime as well.

If you live in Canada, aren't involved in the drug trade and don't frequent bars at 3:00am in the morning your chances of being murdered are next to nothing.

Take Care

Bob

 

[cadgo]

Is this nonsense still alive. We are just one election and mass shooting away from losing the legal right to own handguns and some seriously think CCW is a viable option for Canada. Really?

FYI out crime rates have fallen just as fast as the US due for the most part because the baby boomers aged. We old farts either are in prison or have learned it all ain't worth the effort. In any event old folks commit less crimes then young folks and the baby boom bubble created the bulge in crime rates and also accounts for the crime rate decline. The problem with the argument that armed citizens reduce crime is that armed citizens do the crime as well.

If you live in Canada, aren't involved in the drug trade and don't frequent bars at 3:00am in the morning your chances of being murdered are next to nothing.

Take Care

Bob

I don't think it will ever happen but that doesn't make it any less appalling that gun owners are against it. Chances of being murdered here are miniscule and I still prefer to carry.

 

[Corry]

I'd just be happy if I could take a handgun out in the bush target shooting

 

[tribal]

I'd just be happy if I could take a handgun out in the bush target shooting

that's where i am at. Target shooting in the bush with my NR, and bringing a few Restricteds along would be great. or when Hunting, having a buckmark .22 holstered for grouse would be fun too

 

[cadgo]

Is this nonsense still alive. We are just one election and mass shooting away from losing the legal right to own handguns and some seriously think CCW is a viable option for Canada. Really?

FYI out crime rates have fallen just as fast as the US due for the most part because the baby boomers aged. We old farts either are in prison or have learned it all ain't worth the effort. In any event old folks commit less crimes then young folks and the baby boom bubble created the bulge in crime rates and also accounts for the crime rate decline. The problem with the argument that armed citizens reduce crime is that armed citizens do the crime as well.

If you live in Canada, aren't involved in the drug trade and don't frequent bars at 3:00am in the morning your chances of being murdered are next to nothing.

Take Care

Bob

Also, I own property in a town the same size as Terrace down here and they haven't had a murder in 10+ years. What are murder rates like in peaceful Terrace, BC Canada? You guys have what, 2 murders so far this year? almost one every year. 1 shooting and another beat to death this year. A stabbing and a murder with a hammer in the last couple years.

 

[Corry]

Also, I own property in a town the same size as Terrace down here and they haven't had a murder in 10+ years. What are murder rates like in peaceful Terrace, BC Canada? You guys have what, 2 murders so far this year? almost one every year. 1 shooting and another beat to death this year. A stabbing and a murder with a hammer in the last couple years.

Better ban knives and hammers, think of the children for gods sake man!

 

[Sharps '63]

Is this nonsense still alive. We are just one election and mass shooting away from losing the legal right to own handguns and some seriously think CCW is a viable option for Canada. Really?
If you live in Canada, aren't involved in the drug trade and don't frequent bars at 3:00am in the morning your chances of being murdered are next to nothing."

If you live in Canada, you have a better chance of being shot in the back or the back of the head or on a trolley bus by a cop than by a "criminal". Don't think so? Then you aren't listening to or watching the news on television.
The "criminals'' make their hits in broad daylight with illegal guns and walk away clean, leaving no "collateral;" damage to innocent parties. The "ganstas", on the other hand use the third world "spray & pray" technique, miss their intended targets and injure and or kill bystanders.
The presence of a legally armed citizen could make a difference. What are you looking for when making a '911' call - a man with a gun! What does it take to stop a bad man with a gun? You know the answer .....

 

[mini15]

I'm gonna have to agree with the naysayers. Yea I would LOVE CCW but at the same time I'm a realist.

We truly are one mass shooting away from a total ban on handgun ownership. I think some of us here live in a bubble of gun owners stroking other gun owners the right way. Like the other day I told one of my co-workers what I did on my day off, shooting my Glock pistol. Holly #### did I ever have to explain that one. It's gotten to the point where I don't care anymore, I'm not trying to convert people into believers or engage is huge pro-gun arguments because it's almost useless.


While I don't argue that CCW does lower crime. Here in Canada it would be a lot easier to reduce crime and THUS the chance of being attacked/murdered via other means, like preventing crimes before they start and making sure people don't become criminals in the first place. If you think the solution is to ignore societal change and simply attempt to kill off bugers that try you then you aren't really much help.

To put it into perspective if you spent 100 million dollars suing the government for X law to allow CCW vs spending that same money on educating children in poor families you'd probably reduce crime a lot more with the latter.

CCW is truly a pipe dream in the legal contexts. What's not a pipe dream is that if ever I actually felt the need for handgun on me to protect myself my right to life would supersede anything else, so you fill in the blanks.

 

[bythehour]

I'll be honest. I would welcome CCW...for me. I wouldn't trust my crazy neighbor with a gun.

Legal, socially and culturally....CCW is a long-shot. Some of you guys may not like it, but the reality is, just because we may share a love for firearms, it doesn't mean that we share the same values. For some of us, this is a hobby and a past-time. It is not a lifestyle, way of living or a means to make a living. For that reason alone, we will have very different views.