Are you/will you be a T97 owner?

Do you or do you plan to own a T97?

  • Yes

    Votes: 389 53.1%
  • No

    Votes: 344 46.9%

  • Total voters
    733
I handled and put a few rounds through one today, I'm very impressed, don't think Norinco, it is way above any labeled Norc products , btw it doesn't have Norinco on it. The owner stripped it down, gave us a real good look, again don't think cheap, China or Norinco, it appears very solid. The mag drop button is the only thing that I didn't like on the rifle, no doubt someone will offer up a cure. The grip is small and it would be nice if you could attach a vertical front grip imo.

This summarizes my opinion exactly.

I remember my fort Nork 1911, and it was functional bit very rough around the edges. In terms of build quality, the T97 is light years ahead and that's the part the excites me the most about these (and China in general).

The Chinese can build quality goods. The device I'm typing this on is one of the highest quality goods I've ever used and it is proudly made in China.

The other encouraging thing is if you look at the Deans List of most Canadian universities, what do you see? Lots of Chins, Chans, Lees, and Hongs. You don't see as many Campbells, Browns, Smiths, or. Joneses - this is especially true in fields of science, engineering, technology, and business.

Here's the deans list from the university of Calgary, Science department to prove my point:http://www.ucalgary.ca/science/deanslist,

I didn't make the Deans list in Software Engingeering, but I have lots of friends who did who we're foreign students from China - many of whom have since gone home. I'm also a Canadian born, military veteran, have worked with private defence companies specializing in military equipment, and with the way things are going here with laws, legislation, and regulation, I've considered (and am actively considering) looking for work in Asia because things are really going down hill here.

The thing is, the British in the 1700s would never have believed the backwater colonists would eventually be the world super power either. We all know (or should know) the history of what came next. That pattern is repeating itself right now, and you can try to deny it, but when the signs are all around you and you can't see it, well, there's just no helping you.

The T97 is the biggest confirming indicator of this trend for me, and naysay all you want, it doesn't mean it's any less true. That said, it also doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, either. Sure, the Chinese government is a an evil, Communist relic - but the PEOPLE are no different than the people here at the most basic level. They just work harder and have a different mindset, not having been coddled from the birth with entitlement, social programs, and a collective belief that the world owes them everything.

Also to whoever made a knock on Chinese food, keep on mind Chinese people are very capitalistic and Chinese restaurant owners change their menu to sell stuff that Canadians fork out money to to eat (as in, everything that is sweet, salty, fatty, and bad for you). If you go to any Chinese restaurant, they have 2 menus, one for the Canadians and one for the Chinese people. The food is not at all similar, and if you have a Chinese friend who knows what REAL Chinese food is, ask them to take you sometime - you'll be pleasantly surprised by what you find.

Who knows, maybe the T97 is the same way and I eagerly look forward to the next iteration that the Chinese and Canadian entrepreneurs can bring to bear.
 
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Poor man said = it' ugly , plastic, no ergonomic.
Rich man said = It' s so cheap, it can't be so good, I prefer high cost toy.
Real rifleman = It' s funny to shoot,light,reliable, accurate,take lar-15 magazine, factional and at low cost, WOW ! Want This.
 
Poor man said = it' ugly , plastic, no ergonomic.
Rich man said = It' s so cheap, it can't be so good, I prefer high cost toy.
Real rifleman = It' s funny to shoot,light,reliable, accurate,take lar-15 magazine, factional and at low cost, WOW ! Want This.

A few mistakes here.

Poor guy. It's ok, but the mini14 or CZ858 does everything it does and is cheaper. Most likely buys a CZ858 and is having a great time shooting cheap surplus at the range.
Rich guy. Buys one as he can afford it to go with the collection. Looks at it and realizes it's not bad but has some flaws. Keeps it though shoots it a lot at first and then goes to the range and shoots that expensive Tavor along with his CZ858. Every once and a while the T97 comes out after the novelty has worn off.
Real Rifleman. Answers to rifleman 1 front and centre. Spends the rest of the time #####ing about his/her gear. Old guys, the legend of the FN FAL, new guys insert better AR rifle here. New guys replace as much as they can get away with. Old guys just deal with it and save their money. The T97 isn't even a consideration to them.
 
This summarizes my opinion exactly.

I remember my fort Nork 1911, and it was functional bit very rough around the edges. In terms of build quality, the T97 is light years ahead and that's the part the excites me the most about these (and China in general).

The Chinese can build quality goods. The device I'm typing this on is one of the highest quality goods I've ever used and it is proudly made in China.

The other encouraging thing is if you look at the Deans List of most Canadian universities, what do you see? Lots of Chins, Chans, Lees, and Hongs. You don't see as many Campbells, Browns, Smiths, or. Joneses - this is especially true in fields of science, engineering, technology, and business.

Here's the deans list from the university of Calgary, Science department to prove my point:http://www.ucalgary.ca/science/deanslist,

I didn't make the Deans list in Software Engingeering, but I have lots of friends who did who we're foreign students from China - many of whom have since gone home. I'm also a Canadian born, military veteran, have worked with private defence companies specializing in military equipment, and with the way things are going here with laws, legislation, and regulation, I've considered (and am actively considering) looking for work in Asia because things are really going down hill here.

The thing is, the British in the 1700s would never have believed the backwater colonists would eventually be the world super power either. We all know (or should know) the history of what came next. That pattern is repeating itself right now, and you can try to deny it, but when the signs are all around you and you can't see it, well, there's just no helping you.

The T97 is the biggest confirming indicator of this trend for me, and naysay all you want, it doesn't mean it's any less true. That said, it also doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, either. Sure, the Chinese government is a an evil, Communist relic - but the PEOPLE are no different than the people here at the most basic level. They just work harder and have a different mindset, not having been coddled from the birth with entitlement, social programs, and a collective belief that the world owes them everything.

Also to whoever made a knock on Chinese food, keep on mind Chinese people are very capitalistic and Chinese restaurant owners change their menu to sell stuff that Canadians fork out money to to eat (as in, everything that is sweet, salty, fatty, and bad for you). If you go to any Chinese restaurant, they have 2 menus, one for the Canadians and one for the Chinese people. The food is not at all similar, and if you have a Chinese friend who knows what REAL Chinese food is, ask them to take you sometime - you'll be pleasantly surprised by what you find.

Who knows, maybe the T97 is the same way and I eagerly look forward to the next iteration that the Chinese and Canadian entrepreneurs can bring to bear.

The Chinese students in our universities did not went to university just to go back to china to make $5 a day in one of these firearm manufactures.
I think most people are talking about the quality of Chinese made firearms... Or lack of quality control.
The lack of quality control and the will to make a firearm with as little cost as possible does not make a good combo.
 
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A few mistakes here.

Poor guy. It's ok, but the mini14 or CZ858 does everything it does and is cheaper. Most likely buys a CZ858 and is having a great time shooting cheap surplus at the range.
Rich guy. Buys one as he can afford it to go with the collection. Looks at it and realizes it's not bad but has some flaws. Keeps it though shoots it a lot at first and then goes to the range and shoots that expensive Tavor along with his CZ858. Every once and a while the T97 comes out after the novelty has worn off.
Real Rifleman. Answers to rifleman 1 front and centre. Spends the rest of the time #####ing about his/her gear. Old guys, the legend of the FN FAL, new guys insert better AR rifle here. New guys replace as much as they can get away with. Old guys just deal with it and save their money. The T97 isn't even a consideration to them.

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T97 is the best black rifle in 2013 for all ( quality/price. )
 
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T97 is the best black rifle in 2013 for all ( quality/price. )

The quality is decent, the price is ok. I don't like the poorly designed ergonomics (mag release and safety). I don't like the 1980's carry handle or inability to mount common optics. Not a fan of the iron sights on this rifle either. But yes I do still like it. Frankly I think it's a nice looking rifle. Glad to have it in my collection. But... I'm being realistic here. Rifles I'm more likely to actually shoot frequently are my AR rifles, Tavor, CZ858. The T97 will be a fun novelty and a nice part to my collection. Again I do actually like the T97. If trimming that collection the T97 would go before those others mentioned. That being said it's a smart move by companies as it fits the right niche in the Canadian firearms market.

This isn't my first bullpup rifle.

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Mid priced NR bullpup with #### ergonomics and poor choice for optics.....I wish Armalite would bring back the 180b as its a better NR alternative that gives plenty more options. I should have bought one when they were around.
There are a hell of a lot of Chinese gunnutz on here it seems....Does the great red machine even allow its citizens to own firearms? No? Guess it ain't that free and progressive after all....
 
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The cz858 doesnt take 10 rd or beo mags the type 97 does, thats a huge advantage. Also the t97 has the overall length advantage
Have you been hiding under a rock lately?
It is called a mag well adaptor for the 223 and the 7.62 and B&T comes to mind.
Plus I don't believe you just mentioned that name and did not get banned. I cracked a joke of it to Stevo and got my first infraction.
 
The quality is decent, the price is ok. I don't like the poorly designed ergonomics (mag release and safety). I don't like the 1980's carry handle or inability to mount common optics. Not a fan of the iron sights on this rifle either. But yes I do still like it. Frankly I think it's a nice looking rifle. Glad to have it in my collection. But... I'm being realistic here. Rifles I'm more likely to actually shoot frequently are my AR rifles, Tavor, CZ858. The T97 will be a fun novelty and a nice part to my collection. Again I do actually like the T97. If trimming that collection the T97 would go before those others mentioned. That being said it's a smart move by companies as it fits the right niche in the Canadian firearms market.

This isn't my first bullpup rifle.

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Nice ...i' m jealous, you re certainly a rich man,haha... but i can afford just one plastic rifle, i choose t97, because is the best at low cost cou:
 
Why not? after the Chinese invasion in 1979 SINO War in Vietnam, they went 100% modernization.(beaten badly by Vietnamese)

You are 100percent opposite. Do research before posting.
Too many BS here. People just don't know what they're talking about...
 
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I have one and so far not totally sold on it, the safety location, mag release and charging bolt handle are very badly located as many have mentioned. I thought I could over look them, but apparently it pisses me off. I cannot understand how North Sylva managed to buy this design version rather than the updated gen 2 version with relocated safety and improved mag release. Still no range time, but after cleaning and firearm familiarity time not so pleased.

Except for those design issues the firearm appears to be very well constructed. I was looking at buying a second but have since reconsidered.

Regards,

Izzit
 
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This thread went full retard.

think I'd have to agree with that...

the comments are like that in a YouTube comments section! sad that our site is so inflammatory.

In my opinion people want a T97 because they:

-don't want an AR due to only being able to use it at the range
-can't afford or don't want to be bent over a barrel for a Tavor or FS2000
-and want to have some fun in the bush with 10 rds semi auto.

Pretty simple really ...
 
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