How much to lead a running whitetail deer?

Actually I started this thread because I already knew the answer very well and was curious how many of you did not.

As I read between the lines here it is clear that your negative feedback just goes to prove how little you collectively understand about the fundamentals of shooting. This is exactly what I expected when I started the thread. I am still hoping that some of the readers have the good sense to find some value on the constructive side of this exercise.

It's the person who rejects the value of higher learning that is the hardest to teach.

Thanks for playing.
 
Actually I started this thread because I already knew the answer very well and was curious how many of you did not.

As I read between the lines here it is clear that your negative feedback just goes to prove how little you collectively understand about the fundamentals of shooting. This is exactly what I expected when I started the thread. I am still hoping that some of the readers have the good sense to find some value on the constructive side of this exercise.

It's the person who rejects the value of higher learning that is the hardest to teach.

Thanks for playing.

Well, you sure got me. I apologize for thinking you were an idiot and that your attitudes were doing irreparable harm to hunting as we know it.

I feel like such a fool.
 
Actually I started this thread because I already knew the answer very well and was curious how many of you did not.

As I read between the lines here it is clear that your negative feedback just goes to prove how little you collectively understand about the fundamentals of shooting. This is exactly what I expected when I started the thread. I am still hoping that some of the readers have the good sense to find some value on the constructive side of this exercise.

It's the person who rejects the value of higher learning that is the hardest to teach.

Thanks for playing.

So you just walk away without giving your answer?
 
Where we hunt the bush is pretty heavy and the terrain very hilly, running deer are often heard but not seen, there are very few areas where a running shot is doable. A number of years ago my dad had one pushed to him by a neighbouring camps dog, he heard it coming and had the rifle ready and when it came up over the hill he fired, the deer kept going and he got off two more shots in the 50 yards between where it came over the hill and went down the next hill out of sight. He found it about 60 yards away from where he last saw it. All three shots hit the deer. This being the second running deer he had shot, he swore he would never shoot at a running deer again. Like the first one, this one was less than 100 lbs dressed. They are just too hard to judge their size when in a full run and you only have a couple seconds to see them.
 
Did I wins??


Actually I started this thread because I already knew the answer very well and was curious how many of you did not.

As I read between the lines here it is clear that your negative feedback just goes to prove how little you collectively understand about the fundamentals of shooting. This is exactly what I expected when I started the thread. I am still hoping that some of the readers have the good sense to find some value on the constructive side of this exercise.

It's the person who rejects the value of higher learning that is the hardest to teach.

Thanks for playing.
 
I never shoot at a running deer, I'm a good shot but I don't train nearly enough for that and add the nerves to that equation when you see a beautiful buck. I have too much respect for the animal to take wild shots at it... That's my opinion, I'd rather eat tag soup or shoot a doe that year if I don't get a shot at an other buck.
 
Well f*** 'em! I don't do what I think is wrong even though others do it, it's their problem. I wouldn't have an issue telling one of my buddy he's an idiot for taking a stupid shot...

Ever been to deer huntin camp? Everyone always takes the shot! The thinking is that if it gets wounded there is 20 other guys who WILL find it.

I think they so often miss because they never had a clear lead objective in mind before opening day.
 
Lol, some people just can't handle taking their lumps.... I'm embarrased for you with that post.


Actually I started this thread because I already knew the answer very well and was curious how many of you did not.

As I read between the lines here it is clear that your negative feedback just goes to prove how little you collectively understand about the fundamentals of shooting. This is exactly what I expected when I started the thread. I am still hoping that some of the readers have the good sense to find some value on the constructive side of this exercise.

It's the person who rejects the value of higher learning that is the hardest to teach.

Thanks for playing.
 
Lol, some people just can't handle taking their lumps.... I'm embarrased for you with that post.

This is my thought. You can't just say you're a better hunter than the rest of us and leave without giving out the mythical 'right answer'. I call BS until I see otherwise.
 
I don't shoot running deer because it makes me sad when i see a deer with the lower jaw shot off.

I don't shoot at them either, walking perhaps, but not at a gallop.

My advice, first, if you are unsure of the shot, don't friggin take it.All too many a deer shot through the guts was a result of a running shot.

I don't shoot at running animals. I just let them run away and think " Yep, you won this time" I do follow up shots on a wounded animal that's making a break for it but that's rare for me as I try to be a rather sure shot.

... If a whistle won't stop it.... It gets away and I keep hunting.

Well, I for one completely agree with the idea that no one should take a shot at a deer that he KNOWS he can't make. I have never taken a shot at an animal with the idea that someone else I know might manage to finish it off for me. Hunting for me does not involve shooting the gun off and hoping I will get lucky with the shot. Never.
If that is a load of whatever for you and your shooting buddies, I can only say I'm glad I don't live in Ontario.
Hunting, if it is going to survive, needs much higher expectations of hunters themselves.

There's usually only a few seconds available to deal with a running deer. IMO this should only be reserved for animals that are relatively close, and if you need to think about it too much you may as well shoulder your rifle and let the deer walk. If it's your first time you're probably better off observing the white flag run away.

Would not shoot... JP.

I wouldn't shoot either

I stand hunt. I spot and stalk. I push bush. I used to track and bust. But I don't shoot at running deer. WALKING? Absolutely!

Unless they are running straight toward me, I wait until they stop.

Deer that are running are often running away, so unless you want to hit the thing in the ass...


It's the person who rejects the value of higher learning that is the hardest to teach.

f:P: You don't listen too well do you.
 
The OP unfortunately is trying to turn an art into a science. It's all calculable for sure, but not instantly with the size of brain even Hawkings has no matter what he thinks.
That and its likely he/she is a teenage turd looking for attention.
 
Actually I started this thread because I already knew the answer very well and was curious how many of you did not.

As I read between the lines here it is clear that your negative feedback just goes to prove how little you collectively understand about the fundamentals of shooting. This is exactly what I expected when I started the thread. I am still hoping that some of the readers have the good sense to find some value on the constructive side of this exercise.

It's the person who rejects the value of higher learning that is the hardest to teach.

Thanks for playing.

You, Sir, are a tinhorn liar.

You don't have a freaking clue ...you admitted you had to "google how many feet in a mile" for crying out loud, then your math (which you say you already knew) was wrong! And if you "know the answer", why the hell haven't you taught your buddies such a "clear objective" for opening day (which you fully admit they lack), and why haven't you taught each and every one of them your hard core methods. Reason? 'Cuz you don't know sh!t!

And as for understand the fundamentals of shooting...? I hold certificates and awards from military shooting teams, training, and contests for live shoots, static shoots, jungle lanes, qualified high marksman and sharpshooter every year, engaging moving targets at various distances as well as holding a military SAIC (Small Arms Instructor Course) qualifying me to instruct and live fire everything from 9mm Hi-Power to the Eryx wire-guided missile. I also hold a current qualification as a Small Arms Coach. I fired plenty of rounds at moving targets and while I can hit it, I am not shooting at animals. Shoot at enemy soldiers, during battle, sure since the object is suppression or injury, death not necessary. Part of war in my book, but not of hunting.

But, I am always willing to be schooled. Come and show me...yep, I am telling you to "PUT UP OR SHUT UP"!
 
And as for understand the fundamentals of shooting...? I hold certificates and awards from military shooting teams, training, and contests for live shoots, static shoots, jungle lanes, qualified high marksman and sharpshooter every year, engaging moving targets at various distances as well as holding a military SAIC (Small Arms Instructor Course) qualifying me to instruct and live fire everything from 9mm Hi-Power to the Eryx wire-guided missile. I also hold a current qualification as a Small Arms Coach. I fired plenty of rounds at moving targets and while I can hit it, I am not shooting at animals. Shoot at enemy soldiers, during battle, sure since the object is suppression or injury, death not necessary. Part of war in my book, but not of hunting.

Suuure, you might know a lot about shooting in general, but apparently you don't know jack s**t about hunting deer until you've been trained by 20 highly qualified f**king retards with not even enough combined common sense to stop shooting at deer year after year they can't hit. All of whom are also apparently continuously seeking a "higher standard of learning" how to lead animals because they haven't figured it out on the many live animal targets they've missed/gutshot/wasted in the past how many years.

Absolutely pathetic and cruel.
 
One thing I learned on cinema ranges is that it is hard to hit a moving target 5 yards away. At 5 yards there is no lead, the bullet gets there in under 1/100 of a second.
The problem is that you brain takes time to react.
Mean reaction time for college-age individuals is about 190 milliseconds to detect a visual stimulus. At 10 mph/15fps, that is 3 foot. So if a deer jumps out 10 yards in front of you, lead doesn't work.
Swing works, but mental arithmetic won't cut it. Mental arithmetic takes me more than 190 milliseconds on a good day :).

Stand on Station Eight for a day shooting skeet... Your reflexed will improve dramatically!

Without reading all the other responses. Try it out and you will figure it out, after doing it for 20 years I can kill them on the run, mostly.

They never run 90 degrees from you so the math doesnt work. You will develop a feel or it. the first few you will miss, the next you will hit int the hips/ass. the next are gut shot. after that you are in the chest.Its not pretty but thats what you asked for, i now hit 70% in the chest, the rest are elsewhere.

Congrats... This is the WORST post I have ever read on CGN!
 
Still waiting on the higher learning there Mr Badasmo.....

Xeon, you might have directed your anger at the wrong member there, unless I missed something.
 
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