T97 barrel issue AND NRR WISHLIST!!!

[j_brand]

The number of complaining posts is absolutely amazing. Let me sum up the issues I see.

Q: Rifle is not perfect with very possible feature under the sun at less than fine meal.
A. You paid a third for the rifle compared to the next bull-pup and you knew it was a first-off-run. There will be teething pains and if you're not clever with your hands you may wish to wait for a few generations till they iron the wrinkles out.

Q CAN-AM You promised it in the Fall, it's now FALL.
A. CAN-AM did not charge me anything from my pre-order and I suspect anyone doing the T97NRR pre-order was not charged. I believe some of the original orders from 4 years ago were a different story. I decided I did not want to wait any more and purchased one of the T97NSR. A choice we all have if we want it now. When the T97NNR comes I'll get that as well, this year or next or whenever.

As for my experience.
The rifle worked out of the box and I'm pleased with the feel and size. The mag release and magwell did not work perfectly but an evening with a file, some sand paper and oil took care of those issues. Still need to deal with dents in the case, likely from the lack of a feed ramp and make a scope mount adapter. I'm a tinkerer and messing with a $1000 rifle is a lot less risky than messing with a $2700 rifle.

So - suggestions are a good idea but let's keep the bellyaching down to dull roar. I've been following all T97 threads and do not feel any retailer or importer has offered false or misleading posts.

To Can-Am; if you chose to postpone your shipment until improvements have been made I will still be your customer.

 

[daniel_250r]

this isn't a first off run they have been building the t97a for years, id only assume they suffer the same issues we have

 

[Jay795]

For those of you who are all butthurt over the ETA I would ask yourselves this question - would you rather have the current gun with its issues or wait a bit longer and get one that has been ironed out?

You should be thankful canam is willing to make adjustments because even if they didn't they would still get a ton of business with all the preorders.

 

[Igormon]

this isn't a first off run they have been building the t97a for years, id only assume they suffer the same issues we have

First run for a rifle that is classified as NR in Canada.

Changes made for legality purposes here can introduce problems. Am I wrong?

 

[stormtrooper1015]

Maybe I'm not as fussy as I used to be, but I like this little carbine. I like the weird location of the selector lever, and the "reach around" required to drop the mag. I even like the carrying handle. Can it be tweaked and improved upon - sure, but I have a hate on for things that are designed by committee. I prefer a vision and a final product - someone in China had a reason to put that selector in your armpit, I haven't any idea why, but I admire their sticktuativeness...

I still have a T97 on pre-order with CanadaAmmo and I'm looking forward to seeing that one as well. Chris and the lads will bring their gun to market once it's ready, and i'm cool with that...

Cheers,

M

 

[CanAm]

What are the chances that they will actually make these changes, after all we are not talking about Custom Blauser rifles, these are guns that came from a country who screwed him over last time around sending fully auto receivers so they could line their pockets abit deeper. I doubt that these guys realy care about all of the little things we want changed.

They never screwed us over, we never received FA receivers.

We make changes to all our guns, regularly. You will see the new M305 in the next few weeks.

Also, it takes 10 minutes to issue a new FRT for a variant. We do it all the time.

 

[schlehofer]

It made sad when I saw the drill mark at the bottom of my barrel SN 13001334 I don't know why people hide theirs. But I have put over 1000 rounds through my t97, cleaned it about every 300 rounds and it is smooth and crisp. NO feeding issues. It throws the brass out so FU$%ING far I have a hard time finding them let alone having them jam up in my barrel or action. The ones I have collected have a nice little dent where it hits the end of the ejector port and deflects forward perfectly every time no issues. I have used irons and hit 5 to 6 MOA at 300 Yards with my mount and my trijicon 3x I am able to hit 2 MOA at same distance 300 Yards. I use the LAR pistol mags and they work FLAWLESSLY I even have a MSAR XM-30-E4 polimar magazine and it is tight but I just gave it a little loving, a little of the old in out. Its only plastic it will wear away and then it works well. I love my t97. It is fast becoming my favorite. I have used norc .223/5.56 whatever it is and PMC 5.56 green tip. The green tips shoot much better and are much cleaner as well. For 1000 bux I have a great little rifle. And when the Can am NRR's come I will collect my pre-order and have 2. All is good in life

 

[ponymusic]

They never screwed us over, we never received FA receivers.

We make changes to all our guns, regularly. You will see the new M305 in the next few weeks.

Also, it takes 10 minutes to issue a new FRT for a variant. We do it all the time.

Please, tell us more about this.

 

[Gunusr]

The chinese will never iron out anything that already sells. Look at crap that's been made there for years and still has the same problems. Quads for example. They are still just as bad or even worse because people will still buy them. Don't get your hopes up.

 

[bcbravo2zero]

It made sad when I saw the drill mark at the bottom of my barrel SN 13001334 I don't know why people hide theirs. But I have put over 1000 rounds through my t97, cleaned it about every 300 rounds and it is smooth and crisp. NO feeding issues. It throws the brass out so FU$%ING far I have a hard time finding them let alone having them jam up in my barrel or action. The ones I have collected have a nice little dent where it hits the end of the ejector port and deflects forward perfectly every time no issues. I have used irons and hit 5 to 6 MOA at 300 Yards with my mount and my trijicon 3x I am able to hit 2 MOA at same distance 300 Yards. I use the LAR pistol mags and they work FLAWLESSLY I even have a MSAR XM-30-E4 polimar magazine and it is tight but I just gave it a little loving, a little of the old in out. Its only plastic it will wear away and then it works well. I love my t97. It is fast becoming my favorite. I have used norc .223/5.56 whatever it is and PMC 5.56 green tip. The green tips shoot much better and are much cleaner as well. For 1000 bux I have a great little rifle. And when the Can am NRR's come I will collect my pre-order and have 2. All is good in life

I gotta ask: are you suggesting that those who say that there is no drill mark/gouge in their barrel are lying?

 

[daniel_250r]

First run for a rifle that is classified as NR in Canada.

Changes made for legality purposes here can introduce problems. Am I wrong?

the changes for nr never involved a different gas tube so yes you are wrong

 

[Freedomjerr]

Glad to wait a few extra months if the Can Am firearm has some bugs corrected.

 

[SQUAREHEAD1]

I gotta ask: are you suggesting that those who say that there is no drill mark/gouge in their barrel are lying?

I think he was referring to "hiding serial numbers".. Not the gouges

 

[IchBinEinSniper]

I have used irons and hit 5 to 6 MOA at 300 Yards with my mount and my trijicon 3x I am able to hit 2 MOA at same distance 300 Yards. I have used norc .223/5.56 whatever it is and PMC 5.56 green tip. The green tips shoot much better and are much cleaner as well.

Yeah...lol

 

[harbl_the_cat]

Some thoughts - the factory inspection sheet on my T97s NSR said they were inspected mid august. They arrived in Canada late September.

It appears the bottleneck in getting the guns here entirely comes from our government and their goons doing technical reviews, approvals, inspections, classifications, etc. It would appear the manufacturing part is the easy part.

Now I'm going on the limb and assuming CanAm hasn't built his rifles yet and is jumping through the hoops to get everything sorted out on our end dealing with the Canadian mafia/government - ergo I doubt the guns are even built yet - but that really doesn't matter. For all the hate going around towards the Chinese, it's important to remember that they spent 20 years building up an industrial manufacturing industry, while simultaneously, our governments (yes, governments) have systematically dismantled it. That's no fault of consumers - that is entirely the fault of our government manipulation of the economy through regulation and interventionist monetary policy.

I have faith CanAm will deliver as fast as he can, and that the Chinese factories can produce very high quality products. I have zero faith that the Canadian government will make the process smooth, clean, and painless.

I'm not too miffed about the quirks with my NSR's now - that's just the price of getting in on the initial product launch. Just remember, if the Canadian mafia hadn't gooned CanAm out of the first batch 4 years ago, he would have been left carrying the bag, and the free market would have sorted these issues out with subsequent iterations, they way it is now.

I just don't understand how people here direct so much animosity towards the actual parties in this equation who have a vested interest and who's actions clearly are serving towards their own best interest.

Norinco, North Sylvia, CanAm, and all the distributing businesses WANT to make you happy by delivering to you products you want and are satisfied with. Do they make mistakes from time to time? Sure. Do they actively go out of their way to rob you, then with the proceeds of that robbery, screw you over, tell you what you can't do, confiscate your property and threaten to throw you in jail, the way our government does? Absolutely not.

Do the T97s in country have flaws? You bet. But the T97s the government stole from CanAm 4 years ago undoubtably had many of the same flaws - and we as T97 enthusiasts are only now ironing out those flaws - and it is entirely the fault of our criminal government.

I also have mad respect to CanAm for honouring his pledge to bring these rifles in at the 2008 price. The Chinese yuan is at 20 year highs relative to the USD and this is going to put a LOT of pressure on the price of Chinese imports for countries that conduct international commerce in USD (i.e - Canada). Honestly, I really wouldn't be surprised if the $850 price tag CanAm is listing his rifles for spikes up a fair deal in subsequent years. However, I'm going on a limb that for CanAm, his highest margins are on surplus ammo, while the profit margin on gun sales is already slim to non-existent. The more .223 shooters out there - the more Norinco .223 he can move - so him seriously undercutting the market price in the near term for T97s in the long run would actually be more profitable for him.

That said, there is a big difference between price and value. Most people brainwashed by socialist Canadian schools think they are the same, but that is not the case. These rifles are definitely using currency market factors (and currency) a $1000 value. At $850 - they are seriously underpriced - and a monster deal.

Capitalism is magic.

 

[#1bcshooter]

Please, tell us more about this.

 

[GUB]

Some thoughts - the factory inspection sheet on my T97s NSR said they were inspected mid august.

That said, there is a big difference between price and value. Most people brainwashed by socialist Canadian schools think they are the same, but that is not the case. These rifles are definitely using currency market factors (and currency) a $1000 value. At $850 - they are seriously underpriced - and a monster deal.

Capitalism is magic.

Well said but we have to remember that the price or value was set by North Slyva with no other source of supply but through them. And we seem to have a good supply of unsold $1100 guns with more higher priced ones on the way? We in Canada are just a small part of the global firearms market and yes we are thankful that these companies North Sylva and Can Am are trying to fill the needs of the Canadian shooters. My local range has already banned the use of shotguns and with the new lady owner appearing to be unhappy with the number of black military style weapons being used last sunday. ( It was the busiest day I have ever seen) We may be looking at a restriction on the type , style and look at the guns we may be allowed to use at my range? So my interest in the NR T97 NRR has increased and my preorder is staying.

 

[transporteRR]

Well said but we have to remember that the price or value was set by North Slyva with no other source of supply but through them. And we seem to have a good supply of unsold $1100 guns with more higher priced ones on the way? We in Canada are just a small part of the global firearms market and yes we are thankful that these companies North Sylva and Can Am are trying to fill the needs of the Canadian shooters. My local range has already banned the use of shotguns and with the new lady owner appearing to be unhappy with the number of black military style weapons being used last sunday. ( It was the busiest day I have ever seen) We may be looking at a restriction on the type , style and look at the guns we may be allowed to use at my range? So my interest in the NR T97 NRR has increased and my preorder is staying.

Banned shotguns at range???

 

[GUB]

Banned shotguns at range???

Yes! The land is privately owned and the club is a association. So a while back some "CLOWNS" were shooting skeet at the 300M range and didn't clean up all the clay pieces and the owner showed up and that was it for shotguns of any type. And the core members are all nice people but they favor black powder and not the "evil" SKS rifles that spray ammo from 50M?????? And my M4 last sunday I did not feel the "love"!!!!! Most days there is no one there but they had a black powder rendevous and they were all there!!!!

 

[jdman]

Yes! The land is privately owned and the club is a association. So a while back some "CLOWNS" were shooting skeet at the 300M range and didn't clean up all the clay pieces and the owner showed up and that was it for shotguns of any type. And the core members are all nice people but they favor black powder and not the "evil" SKS rifles that spray ammo from 50M?????? And my M4 last sunday I did not feel the "love"!!!!! Most days there is no one there but they had a black powder rendevous and they were all there!!!!

sounds like one hell of a club....