RFB - best.. rifle.. ever.

CODFan said:
Agreed - with the larger than normal throat creating instability before engaging the rifling.

I have also become very apt at filing FAL mags for proper feeding. Most feeding issues relate to the magazine.

Even with its quirks I would not give up my RFB.
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rally guy said:
My norinco 223 ammo is very inaccurate in my dd m4v5 and my 2 thermold 5/20 are jamomatic in the same dd m4v5. Does this means my dd is not a good rifle?
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Rally guy, not top shelf rifle should need their user to become an expert at filing their mags(fal mags to boot) so it fits properly. The thermolds don't work grab some pmags, or some gis.

Rather than get into an arguement about which is better and all that jazz, let us for a second pretend we live in a free country. And I offer you one rifle to take home, RFB, HK417, Scar 17, AR10, M14(M305 included), Fal, G3, Famae/Sig SG 542, which would you take? Lets even bring it back to canada rfb, SG542, M14. Which would you take if I offered you one?
 
ztunelover said:
Rally guy, not top shelf rifle should need their user to become an expert at filing their mags(fal mags to boot) so it fits properly. The thermolds don't work grab some pmags, or some gis.
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Every thermold I have put in my RFB has worked without any modification?
Rather than get into an arguement about which is better and all that jazz, let us for a second pretend we live in a free country. And I offer you one rifle to take home, RFB, HK417, Scar 17, AR10, M14(M305 included), Fal, G3, Famae/Sig SG 542, which would you take? Lets even bring it back to canada rfb, SG542, M14. Which would you take if I offered you one?
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I would take the one worth the most money if you were giving it away.
 
I would also take the rfb :p. Mine is perfect for me and runs flawless. .... to each there own... and as with any guns experiance may vary. What about the othrr tread about the tavor's sporadic ftf? No firearm is perfect and no firearms production line churns out lemons free production. I had a norc m 14 go harpoom gun on me after 4 rounds.
 
rally guy said:
I would also take the rfb :p. Mine is perfect for me and runs flawless. .... to each there own... and as with any guns experiance may vary. What about the othrr tread about the tavor's sporadic ftf? No firearm is perfect and no firearms production line churns out lemons free production. I had a norc m 14 go harpoom gun on me after 4 rounds.
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You're right, all companies run the risk of putting out a lemon from time to time. However the fal has served over 90 countries for 50 plus years. The 417 is seeing service with those who's lives depend on it. The di AR10 rifles are also seeing service and are based on a known reliable design. The g3 is no different and continues to serve nations. The rfb has zero track record, suffers the same negatives as all bullpups and is getting less than stellar reviews from the enthusiast crowd. The logical choice between what ztunelover posted for options is clearly an rfb.

Tdc
 
mildcustom2 said:
I would take a direct impingement AR over any gas piston rifle for its reliability and accuracy.

Just my opinion
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superlative said:
Now that's just fan boy talk. In the military's reliability tests, the M4 came last. The gas piston guns came first. So yeah. The truth.
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While it might be labeled direct impingement, I believe it is important to recognize that the AR15/AR10 uses a short stroke piston contained within the bolt carrier. The only reasons for reliability issues with the AR would be related to maintenance and quality of components used.
 
Brian46 said:
if it is being given to me, yes I would want the most expensive of the options given so I can sell it.
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Or keep it so that you don't have to buy it down the road, and can buy the cheaper ones later :p Now if the option was you can ONLY have one of these rifles, and they all theoretically cost the same then choices might be different.
 
8 ball said:
There are many, many rifles that I would consider "better" than the RFB. The RFB is unique, in the fact that it is a 308 bull pup, but I would take almost any other semi auto military rifle in existence over it if I were to be using it in harms way. Try running an assortment of mags and an assortment of ammo, and it will quickly frustrate you with regards to reliability.
I have an RFB, I like it and have no intention of selling it. But to call it a Ferrari is way over it's head. That's my opinion, anyway.:)
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You've obviously never driven a high performance car. What you described "running an assortment of mags.. blah blah" is synonymous with a pickup. A Ferrari by comparison is more sophisticated but takes only premium fuel, only certain tires to function properly, and only certain oils to run properly which is closer to the RFB. So my analogy is correct.
 
8 ball said:
Agree completely. The RFB will never come close to being what the Tavor is for a combat rifle.
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I think this is the cause of our disagreement. You're thinking "combat rifle". We're not at war, except in your mind.

This is Canada. The AR15 is restricted. You can't carry. We're not at war.

Now I really feel like we're comparing a Ferrari vs a Humvee. You're thinking army games, and I'm thinking civilian use. Yeah - I wouldn't use a Ferrari in a warzone either, but guess what?

8 ball said:
but I would take almost any other semi auto military rifle in existence over it if I were to be using it in harms way.
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Yeah. What "harm's way" are you talking about here? I certainly wouldn't be using a Tavor vs a Grizzly - the only real thing that can harm us in Canada that a rifle might be good for. Unless of course you're talking about a war, that nobody here is fighting.
 
superlative said:
I think this is the cause of our disagreement. You're thinking "combat rifle". We're not at war, except in your mind.

This is Canada. The AR15 is restricted. You can't carry. We're not at war.

Now I really feel like we're comparing a Ferrari vs a Humvee. You're thinking army games, and I'm thinking civilian use. Yeah - I wouldn't use a Ferrari in a warzone either, but guess what?



Yeah. What "harm's way" are you talking about here? I certainly wouldn't be using a Tavor vs a Grizzly - the only real thing that can harm us in Canada that a rifle might be good for. Unless of course you're talking about a war, that nobody here is fighting.
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Have you ever heard of civil war or civil unrest? Perhaps economic collapse or natural disasters? Aside from those obvious possibilities, if your gear is tried and tested by known militaries for hard use. Then you can rest assured you will never have any with it at the range, out hunting or defending life and property.

Tdc
 
How much do RFB's go for right now in Canada?

Non-Restricted, right?

How do the magazines go into the rifle? Do they rock into place like an M-14, L1A1 or FN C1 or FAL ? Or do they slide straight in, like an AR-15 or Tavor?

What kind of accuracy are people typically seeing with these?
 
RickR1100 said:
How much do RFB's go for right now in Canada?

Non-Restricted, right?

How do the magazines go into the rifle? Do they rock into place like an M-14, L1A1 or FN C1 or FAL ? Or do they slide straight in, like an AR-15 or Tavor?

What kind of accuracy are people typically seeing with these?
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You can find a slightly used one for $2200-$2400, not sure about the new ones.. And yes it is non restricted.

Mags rock into place, and there are different reports of accuracy around here, I have seen 1moa groups done with fine tuned reloads, but I don't seam to get better then 2-3" at 100m with factory ammo.. Takes a little while to get use to this rifle due to high maneuverability..
 
CODFan said:
Good idea ..... Let's change that ....

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Hahaha nice combo there!!! Which one is your favorite to shoot anyways? :)
 
Dmitri said:
You can find a slightly used one for $2200-$2400, not sure about the new ones.. And yes it is non restricted.

Mags rock into place, and there are different reports of accuracy around here, I have seen 1moa groups done with fine tuned reloads, but I don't seam to get better then 2-3" at 100m with factory ammo.. Takes a little while to get use to this rifle due to high maneuverability..
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Mags do not rock into place. Straight push into the magwell. This is why non metric mags won't work but simply grinding off the front tab makes them metric and they work fine.

Accuracy is dependent on ammo used and your shooting skills, typically 1.5-2 MOA once you find a factory load or reload recipe it likes but some have gotten a little better and others a little worse.
 
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skinnadoor said:
I had the money and the option to go with the RFB, I ended up going with the Tavor. I hadn't had a chance to handle either one before my purchase, however she is quite accurate... rock solid dependable and has realy nice handling.

Perhaps the RFB shares some of it's qualities... but being able to use LAR mags and other various mags is pretty nice.

7.62mm or 5.56mm... you got me there though... no debating that, but I can not see the RFB being as reliable as the Tavor after all I have read on both rifles. 240 rounds down range and no issues so far with the Tavor.
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Laugh2, 240 rounds? It's not even broken in yet. Come back when you have over 1000. I'm sure it will still be reliable but using a number like that to say how reliable a rifle is means nothing. My PWS AR is coming up on 4000 rounds and hasn't had a failure.
My RFB has somewhere around 500 rounds down the barrel and hasn't had a failure that wasn't related to improperly adjusted gas system. Once you figure out how it works and how to adjust it correctly it's 100% reliable but it has a long way to go before I would consider it as reliable as an AR or other proven rifle design.
 
TDC said:
Have you ever heard of civil war or civil unrest? Perhaps economic collapse or natural disasters? Aside from those obvious possibilities, if your gear is tried and tested by known militaries for hard use. Then you can rest assured you will never have any with it at the range, out hunting or defending life and property.

Tdc
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And what about Zombies?
 
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