To those T97NSR owners with a barrel "gouge"

[baD mR fRosTy]

""The cost to contract overpriced Canadian labour....""

Lol, darn those overpaid union smithees, eh?

""If these numbers are true and the cost to North to procure these rifles is $800 per rifle, that's an upfront cost of $1.6 million. If indeed, they are selling them for $900-$950, that's a potential revenue stream of $1.8 - $1.9 million. A profit margin of about $200,000 to $300,000, which might sound like a lot - but first off, I suspect North Sylvia isn't a one man operation, my guess is North Sylvia employs at LEAST 5 staff members and in all probability, it probably took at least 2-3 years to make it possible to get these rifles to land. You also have to take into account the fact that fact that North Sylvia has to swallow all the typical expenses associated with doing business in Canada, which are HUGE - rent, taxes, utilities, marketing, interest, insurance, compliance with RCMP goon regulations, etc, etc.""

This might make sense if the T97 was NS's ONLY iron in the fire, (um, that's a metaphor meaning "only item they sell") - but it isn't, so it doesn't...

 

[klatham]

The one thing we can be glad of is that no one is posting pics of their gouged gas holes...

 

[Duff350]

The one thing we can be glad of is that no one is posting pics of their gouged gas holes...

Have you try to do a zoom/focus on this ?

Almost impossible ! Thats why!

 

[HeadDamage]

For the love of God don't ask people to post photos of their gas holes on here

 

[Rick911]

soooo harbl_the_cat is banned ?

Noooooooooooooooooooo

 

[docscoutjr]

PM sent with my # and contact info

 

[North_Sylva]

OK.

I'd like to thank all CGNer's that help out with providing the serials numbers to their rifles.

The factory had done an analysis on the T97 barrels, and have come up with the following report.


Cause
• A small percentage of rifles are affected by this issue.
• The factory has not been aware of a potential problem and has always used the same machine to drill the gas ports. The machine is working properly, but it’s a manually operated machine.
• The cause is because the drill bit will sometimes break inside while drilling. The operator has to push the broken drill head out of the port by insert another drill into the hole; the broken drill bit can then cause a slight impression in the rifling.

Analysis for safety
• The factory has cut some barrels open and measured the gouge on the few issued gun left from the previous production. The factory did pressure tests and did a calculation for the chamber pressure and the conclusion is it is very safe to use the barrel. Also, the gas port has the front sight/gas system clapped outside the barrel, this holds the barrel tight and it will prevent the barrel expansion.
• The gouge does not affect the accuracy or durability of the rifling. The factory has run a 4000 round test fire on the gouged barrel, the rifle shoots fine with no problem. Also, Chinese ammo has higher chamber pressure than most of the ammo sold in Canada.


Warranty Issue
• Because this does not affect the operation/function of the rifle, it has been determined that it not a defect, and will not be covered under warranty by the factory. Should any issues arise in the future, it will be considered on a case by case basis.
• Please note, that the vast majority of semi-automatic rifles have gas ports drilled into the barrel without any effect on accuracy or performance.



I trust that this information will set everyone at ease regarding the longevity and performance of their rifles. I have no doubt that everyone will get years and years of enjoyment from their T97NSR rifles. Should in the unlikely event of any function or performance issues with the T97NSR rifle occur, it will be observed on a case by case basis.


Thanks,

 

[Goonsquad]

While I imagine some people will not be happy with that response, I am satisfied with the rifle, it's price, performance, and you guys for following up.

Thank you for the update.

 

[jdman]

While I imagine some people will not be happy with that response, I am satisfied with the rifle, it's price, performance, and you guys for following up.

Thank you for the update.

same here. i love my rifle, and will continue to do so.

 

[Rick911]

Glad i didnt buy one. That answer is BS.

This is clearly a defect.

Scratched paint on a brand new car does not affect its operation and function. Its a defect nonetheless...

North Silva, you should assume your obligations and stop talking what your subcontractor does or think.

 

[Kewl]

Wow, sure glad I didn't buy one. That sucks. My condolences to those who did buy them.

 

[bcbravo2zero]

While I imagine some people will not be happy with that response, I am satisfied with the rifle, it's price, performance, and you guys for following up.

Thank you for the update.

Same here...

I love my T97. It, and my SKS and Ruger SR22 are my favourite guns.

I did some filing to create a bit of a "feed ramp", and modified my grey LAR15 mags and it shoots/functions really well.
I don't have the gouge in my barrel (as far as I can see), but if it shows up, I really don't care. I'll shoot the hell out of it and buy a new one when it wears out. I'd still only be in for 2/3 the price of a Tavor.

 

[BreakFreeCLP]

Glad i didnt buy one. That answer is BS.
This is clearly a defect.

Scratched paint on a brand new car does not affect its operation and function. Its a defect nonetheless...

North Silva, you should assume your obligations and stop talking what your subcontractor does or think.

BULL EYE !!!!!!

Full BS analysis.... North Silva don't care about us.

I have a defective rifle, corrosion will attack chrome lined barrel.

 

[Rick911]

I'll keep in mind the ''as-is'' policy on North Silva products.

I'll surely go elsewhere.

 

[Kewl]

I'll keep in mind the ''as-is'' policy on North Silva products.

I'll surely go elsewhere.

I don't think they will mind as they don't sell to the public.

 

[daniel_250r]

Well not buying an ns imported products ever again

 

[Kewl]

Good luck with that.

 

[fenceline]

BULL EYE !!!!!!

Full BS analysis.... North Silva don't care about us.

I have a defective rifle, corrosion will attack chrome lined barrel.

You mean the same way it will attack the gas ports on ARs and Type 97s and SKS, and ak47 and ag42 and etc etc? Many guns have a hole in the barrel, through the chrome lining.

Gonna keep shooting mine. Doesn't change anything.

 

[fenceline]

I'll keep in mind the ''as-is'' policy on North Silva products.

I'll surely go elsewhere.

Well seeing as they distribute to many of the dealers on here, and many dealers who aren't, you may never know when you are buying something that came from them.

 

[airtruck63chev]

Cause
• A small percentage of rifles are affected by this issue. (ok i'll buy it, rookie on the drill)
• The factory has not been aware of a potential problem and has always used the same machine to drill the gas ports. The machine is working properly, but it’s a manually operated machine.(again ok i'll buy it, rookie on the drill)
• The cause is because the drill bit will sometimes break inside while drilling. The operator has to push the broken drill head out of the port by insert another drill into the hole; the broken drill bit can then cause a slight impression in the rifling. (nope dont buy it.. they had no drill stop or set wrong and screwed up)

lies... cant stand it when somebody lies... this was a screwup by a employee plain and simple . nobody wants to take responsibility that plain to see as the costs would be too much for all involved

still going to use it but really hate getting the blow off . hey NS go talk to a machinist or gun smith... and ask them or better yet lets ask CGN experts..