Sub $500, 9mm recommendations for 1st pistol?

TDC said:
With the above listed information, I have to ask again. Where is the modern, advanced, cutting edge design features and value in the Viking???
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Thanks; appreciate the detailed post.

I'm not arguing the that the Viking is more modern, advanced, or cutting edge. I am very much enjoying the the discussion regarding the lower priced pistols available.

From an objective point of view, comparing specifications between a couple of pistols is a pretty solid way of highlighting difference between designs.

From a subjective point of view, there's still many reasons to consider a Viking or one of the many other pistols on the market.

Would be pretty boring not to have the luxury of selection we have now.

TDC said:
ETA: Just found information regarding trigger pull. The Viking in DA is 13.2lbs, the Glock is a consistent, 5.5lbs.
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Crazy!
 
cadgo said:
How? Did you not understand my point?

My point is when you buy a $450 SR9 you are getting a $400 pistol.

When you buy a $700 dollar Glock you are getting a $450 pistol.
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No, no, you're right. Unnecessary curt reply on my part; little #####y this morning.

I understand the point of the Glocks being overpriced (overvalued?!) in our market, and there are definitely other comparable pistols when evaluated on an even playing field.

There are many good examples brought up in this thread (good topic, OP).

But if someone is set on owning a new Glock, it's still a $700 pistol in our market and will likely not change anytime soon.

And the Ruger SR9 a good value? Absolutely.
 
Dr.Islay said:
Thanks; appreciate the detailed post.

I'm not arguing the that the Viking is more modern, advanced, or cutting edge. I am very much enjoying the the discussion regarding the lower priced pistols available.

From an objective point of view, comparing specifications between a couple of pistols is a pretty solid way of highlighting difference between designs.

From a subjective point of view, there's still many reasons to consider a Viking or one of the many other pistols on the market.

Would be pretty boring not to have the luxury of selection we have now.



Crazy!
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Please elaborate on the many reasons to consider a Viking? If cost is the determining factor, you're wrong. Cost is only a factor if your purpose is to own a toy not a tool. If you have a desired goal/purpose for your guns then cost is just a fact of life. I see zero benefits to a Viking over a Glock, or several other pistols for that matter. Take a SIG 226 as an example. An all metal(aluminium alloy) framed gun weighs 3 oz more than the polymer Viking. The DA is 3lbs lighter, its shorter in both directions, and there is no shortage of aftermarket support. If you run a 226 SRT you have a rather nice DA/SA gun by comparison. Lets look at an HK USP. It too is shorter in both directions, its a full 3 plus oz lighter with an empty magazine, and a full 5oz lighter without magazine. The USP is a full .25" narrower, the DA is 11lbs with an SA pull weight of 4.49lbs. The USP is also fully supported with aftermarket parts. Both the 226 and the USP can be had in a DAO variant as well.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Please elaborate on the many reasons to consider a Viking? If cost is the determining factor, you're wrong. Cost is only a factor if your purpose is to own a toy not a tool. If you have a desired goal/purpose for your guns then cost is just a fact of life. I see zero benefits to a Viking over a Glock, or several other pistols for that matter. Take a SIG 226 as an example. An all metal(aluminium alloy) framed gun weighs 3 oz more than the polymer Viking. The DA is 3lbs lighter, its shorter in both directions, and there is no shortage of aftermarket support. If you run a 226 SRT you have a rather nice DA/SA gun by comparison. Lets look at an HK USP. It too is shorter in both directions, its a full 3 plus oz lighter with an empty magazine, and a full 5oz lighter without magazine. The USP is a full .25" narrower, the DA is 11lbs with an SA pull weight of 4.49lbs. The USP is also fully supported with aftermarket parts. Both the 226 and the USP can be had in a DAO variant as well.

TDC
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I can't comment on the sig, but the usp can be switched from da/sa to dao or vice versa. As long as you are using HK parts, and not modifying them in any way, you can change variants without voiding your warranty.

Which brings to my question is the viking available/ does it come with with night sights?
 
sksscrew said:
How about someone just start a Viking thread.
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You have your assignment. Make it so.

I will be blatantly honest. My first recommendations for anyone unwilling to go past 500 would be a m&p22 or a ruger mkii or 22/45. Go with a quality rimfire. If you are on that strict a budget, chances are you won't get a chance to shoot much centerfire anyways. Get a rimfire, ammo is a fraction of the cost, meaning more range time.
 
ztunelover said:
You have your assignment. Make it so.

I will be blatantly honest. My first recommendations for anyone unwilling to go past 500 would be a m&p22 or a ruger mkii or 22/45. Go with a quality rimfire. If you are on that strict a budget, chances are you won't get a chance to shoot much centerfire anyways. Get a rimfire, ammo is a fraction of the cost, meaning more range time.
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I've learned more opinions than I need about the Viking thanks. It was more of a suggestion to others more interested so this thread could continue productively. I am well stocked for ammo. I was thinking about picking up one of the M93 's just to have some fun with and like you say cheap ammo.
 
sksscrew said:
I've learned more opinions than I need about the Viking thanks. It was more of a suggestion to others more interested so this thread could continue productively. I am well stocked for ammo. I was thinking about picking up one of the M93 's just to have some fun with and like you say cheap ammo.
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Not all first time shooter or first time pistol purchasers are well stocked on ammo. And misinformation could lead them to buy something in 45acp. Then will barely shoot it because well they cant afford to feed 45acp.

Why a m93? what's wrong with a ruger mkiii or 2245? Or everyone around here seems to love their 1911s how about a gsg9?
 
I am a fan of the Russian TT33 pistol, polish is good too, norkie as well... For under 200 bucks and plenty of spare parts you can't go wrong comes in 9mm and 7.62X25... If something breaks replace and go... Back up in running in couple mins...
 
mad_machinist said:
I am a fan of the Russian TT33 pistol, polish is good too, norkie as well... For under 200 bucks and plenty of spare parts you can't go wrong comes in 9mm and 7.62X25... If something breaks replace and go... Back up in running in couple mins...
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I have yet to see a TT that runs for more than a single magazine without a stoppage. Who offers sights and holsters for the TT, and who wants to spend half their time replacing parts that should never have failed in the first place? So you buy 2 or 3 to keep one running, that's $600 for a marginal performer with a poor track record. That kind of coin can get you a known make and model that won't fail consistently, but its your money..

TDC
 
Only stoppages I have had with either of my TT-33s is from FTF due to bad ammo. Nice primer strikes...no bang.

I have plenty of different handguns, and when I go out to the range, I usually pick 4 to shoot that day. My Norc 213 seems to make it into the case most days.
 
Anyad Pitchaya said:
Only stoppages I have had with either of my TT-33s is from FTF due to bad ammo. Nice primer strikes...no bang.

I have plenty of different handguns, and when I go out to the range, I usually pick 4 to shoot that day. My Norc 213 seems to make it into the case most days.
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How many rounds was this over?
 
I'll sell you my SR9 and 5 mags.....150 rounds through it and I hate it. It works just fine, I just hate the trigger.
 
subdermal said:
I have never had a stoppage in my TT after I stopped trying to feed flat-nosed bullets through it...
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So it needs specific ammo to run, that's a reliable gun. And do tell how many rounds you run through it per visit? Shooting fast, slow, inbetween? Ever get the gun hot or dirty?

Anyad Pitchaya said:
Only stoppages I have had with either of my TT-33s is from FTF due to bad ammo. Nice primer strikes...no bang.

I have plenty of different handguns, and when I go out to the range, I usually pick 4 to shoot that day. My Norc 213 seems to make it into the case most days.
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Ammo failures don't count against the firearm.

TDC
 
ztunelover said:
Not all first time shooter or first time pistol purchasers are well stocked on ammo. And misinformation could lead them to buy something in 45acp. Then will barely shoot it because well they cant afford to feed 45acp.

Why a m93? what's wrong with a ruger mkiii or 2245? Or everyone around here seems to love their 1911s how about a gsg9?
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Not sure what you are going on about the 45 acp and misinformation. Not from anything I posted. What I have for ammo is irrelivent. As for the M93. I have shot one and had fun with it. It is dirt cheap (can get a virtually new one for $160 to my door) and cheap to shoot. It is not the type of gun I want to keep forever, just have fun with. Both pistols you suggested will be between 500-600 shipped (new). I don't want to spend that kind of coin on a .22.
 
I bought the Polish TT-33 and I will judge it for myself. Again it won't break the bank. If it doesn't work out, I'm not worried, I still like the pistol. I thought it would be an inexpensive gun to try out a different caliber of ammunition. If it was going to be the only gun I would purchase that would not be the one. I have always been a fan of milsurps of all kinds. Even if I never shot them.
 
sksscrew said:
Not sure what you are going on about the 45 acp and misinformation. Not from anything I posted. What I have for ammo is irrelivent. As for the M93. I have shot one and had fun with it. It is dirt cheap (can get a virtually new one for $160 to my door) and cheap to shoot. It is not the type of gun I want to keep forever, just have fun with. Both pistols you suggested will be between 500-600 shipped (new). I don't want to spend that kind of coin on a .22.
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the gsg for 1911 fanboys can be had for around 375. ruger mkiii or 2245s can be found for sub 400s if you shop around, my m&p22 was 460 shipped to my door.

There is no rimfire pistol in the market worth more than 500 bucks.

That being said the norc m93 is a a sh*t copy of an already sh*t design. Cheap it may be. But good it is not.

my point is 45acp can be quite expensive over time, you said you are well stocked in ammo, my rebuttal to that is not everyone is. Caliber choice is pretty important. both 45acp and 40s&w are approximately 400+/1k rounds vs 9mm(250-300/1k). Now if you are the sort of person that shoots your 50 rounds a session once a month no biggie buy a 50ae for all i care, but if the new shooter is semi serious and wants to shoot 300-600 rounds a week that can get expensive very fast and the price difference in ammo is a big factor, and something to consider when recommending a pistol, for that reason I won't recommend anything 45 to a first time shooter. Same reason I recommend new shooters to start with 22lr. 50-80/1k. Shoot it a lot without breaking your bank. Teach yourself the fundamentals. Then play with big boy toys.
 
ztunelover said:
the gsg for 1911 fanboys can be had for around 375. ruger mkiii or 2245s can be found for sub 400s if you shop around, my m&p22 was 460 shipped to my door.

There is no rimfire pistol in the market worth more than 500 bucks.

That being said the norc m93 is a a sh*t copy of an already sh*t design. Cheap it may be. But good it is not.

my point is 45acp can be quite expensive over time, you said you are well stocked in ammo, my rebuttal to that is not everyone is. Caliber choice is pretty important. both 45acp and 40s&w are approximately 400+/1k rounds vs 9mm(250-300/1k). Now if you are the sort of person that shoots your 50 rounds a session once a month no biggie buy a 50ae for all i care, but if the new shooter is semi serious and wants to shoot 300-600 rounds a week that can get expensive very fast and the price difference in ammo is a big factor, and something to consider when recommending a pistol, for that reason I won't recommend anything 45 to a first time shooter. Same reason I recommend new shooters to start with 22lr. 50-80/1k. Shoot it a lot without breaking your bank. Teach yourself the fundamentals. Then play with big boy toys.
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Not sure why you are looking for an argument where there is none. My comment about being well stocked for ammo has nothing to do with decent guns under the $500 mark. Your opinion about the M-93 is one in a million. As they say opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one. It is a cheap gun to have fun with. I was by no means recommending it to anyone.

"There is no rimfire pistol in the market worth more than 500 bucks". Both of the pistols you recommended with tax and and shipping are over the $500 mark unless you find a great sale somewhere. I for one do not want to spend that kind of money on a .22. (not to knock those out there who do). Just not the purpose of the thread.

I will agree that the cost of ammunition is something to consider when buying any firearm. The cost of ammunition is not part of this discussion. It's price remains fairly constant. The interest is in the weapon. There are many good reliable .45 cal. firearms out there that would be great for a first time shooter (cost of ammunition aside).

I can assure you have many "big boy toys" in long guns. This is merely my entrance into handguns. To someone who has never had their hands on a firearm before it may be sound advice to start with a .22 but again not part of this discussion.
 
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