Cz 858-2

if you're going to own a prohib,,at least dont show it in public,,,private land with your friends only,,LOL..
 
liberal-hater said:
I guarantee that as long as I'm alive they will not all be confiscated.

But I'll concede the spirit of your statement. Sooner or later the Kanadian government will attempt it again, and the Kanadian sheeple will grumble and line up to turn them in. Again.
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So what are you going to do? Bury it and never shoot it again? Hide it in you house, risk incarceration and your family if you have one?...and never shoot it again?
It just isn't worth breaking any gun laws. I sold my 858 as soon as this talk started.
 
cp220 said:
There are several FRT's listed for 858's.

The CZ 858 Tactical 2 is listed as non-restricted.

There are also FRT's for CZ 858's (Tactical 2P, Tactical 2V, Tactical 4P) that lists them as prohibited (converted auto). The notes indicate the firearm is a full auto VZ58 altered to fire semi only, and the original receiver markings were removed and replaced with CZ 858 Tactical 2 P (or Tactical 2V, or Tactical 4P).

I have no idea what will come of all this, but that's the info on the FRT currently.

The CSA rifles all look the same as NR.
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So there you have it, the 858 tactical 2 is NR!!! Period. Which is what most of us have anyways. And what has been imported. So why can't wolverine and others import these then?
 
I hope that if they ever reclassify the tactical-2, instead of taking it from us, they will issue us a a prohibited permit to keep them (and buy some more prohibited goodies!), but I'm pretty sure it won't happen!!!
 
CousinTony said:
So what are you going to do? Bury it and never shoot it again? Hide it in you house, risk incarceration and your family if you have one?...and never shoot it again?
It just isn't worth breaking any gun laws. I sold my 858 as soon as this talk started.
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ya that's the good old fighting spirit.....rumours/speculation and sell/panic! did you hear that McD's is getting rid of the McRib?
there is NO law that says I can't own a CZ858 Tactical 2 NR.
 
cp220 said:
There are several FRT's listed for 858's.

The CZ 858 Tactical 2 is listed as non-restricted.

There are also FRT's for CZ 858's (Tactical 2P, Tactical 2V, Tactical 4P) that lists them as prohibited (converted auto). The notes indicate the firearm is a full auto VZ58 altered to fire semi only, and the original receiver markings were removed and replaced with CZ 858 Tactical 2 P (or Tactical 2V, or Tactical 4P).

I have no idea what will come of all this, but that's the info on the FRT currently.

The CSA rifles all look the same as NR.
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Might be stirring the pot a bit here but from what I remember from the thread wolverine started the 4V and 2P Etc. were configurations of barrel length and folding/fixed stock (P & V specifically denoted which stock it was shipped with).

Also another tidbit from that thread, the Firearms Reference Table is not law and can be changed by anyone with permissions to alter it. The information on the FRT right now regarding these rifles is foreboding sure and the reason we should maintain ready to respond if the RCMP decide they're going to officially change the classification.

Anyone know if the CSSA or the NFA are looking into this?
 
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Once again, the spineless nature of most Canadian gun owners rears its obscenely ugly head. We all should be ashamed of ourselves for showing our cowardice in public, what would our fathers and grand fathers think.
 
Tuco Pike said:
Once again, the spineless nature of most Canadian gun owners rears its obscenely ugly head. We all should be ashamed of ourselves for showing our cowardice in public, what would our fathers and grand fathers think.
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There's definitely some things most on here should think twice about showing in public
Obviously they have no experience with 'having a spine' or they'd know enough to keep their mouth shut about it
 
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sidekick1 said:
May have to get a third CZ....... If the guberment prohib them will current owners be issued another license? grandfathered? or just taken away?
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If they make something prohibited they take it, destroy it and they will never pay you a cent, they also will never let anyone else be approved to own a prohib. It is the unfortunate way things work here, completely unacceptable.
 
shaddp said:
If they make something prohibited they take it, destroy it and they will never pay you a cent, they also will never let anyone else be approved to own a prohib. It is the unfortunate way things work here, completely unacceptable.
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didn't they paid the owners 600-800$ when they took the T97 away 4 years ago?
 
OldDirtyGatMasta said:
Might be stirring the pot a bit here but from what I remember from the thread wolverine started the 4V and 2P Etc. were configurations of barrel length and folding/fixed stock (P & V specifically denoted which stock it was shipped with).

Also another tidbit from that thread, the Firearms Reference Table is not law and can be changed by anyone with permissions to alter it. The information on the FRT right now regarding these rifles is foreboding sure and the reason we should maintain ready to respond if the RCMP decide they're going to officially change the classification.

Anyone know if the CSSA or the NFA are looking into this?
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I've read through this whole thread and I think there's a couple of questions need answering.

First....CanAm said his personal rifle went from NR to Prohib, but never specified what his personal rifle was. I think that needs to be answered.

Second...CanAm has still not specified how he was informed of the "re-classification".

Third....Until Wolverine gets answers from the RCMP and/or CBSA as to why the rifles in the shipment were deemed Prohib there's no point in speculating. ( my apology if this subject has already been confirmed, I just couldn't find it anywhere)

And Finally.... We must remember that in order to re-classify a firearm it has to be done by an act of Parliament, because it will change the law, and only the politicians can do that. As much as the RCMP might want them Prohib, they are not the law, they only enforce it. If parliament agrees and changes the classification so be it, we can either fight the change with a constitutional challenge, or we can live with it. So RCMP seizing weapons at traffic stops I think is highly unlikely, that is unless the individual did have one of the 858's that is prohibited and didn't have the appropriate licence for it, but I highly doubt it was an 858 tactical 2.

So lets keep calm and cool heads about this. If a gun grab occurs you can be sure that the various groups like the NFA, and even the NRA, will take action. Have faith in those that represent our firearms community.

p.s. if Justin Trudeau gets elected I'm moving to the US. I'd rather deal with spying eye of the NSA, than deal with that stupid punk dumbass as our PM...... admires China's government, WTF... bloody Commie pinko like his old man.
 
I would say if they want buy the striped reciever for full price, then they can have it. Then there is spare parts for the vz for free.
No cash no gun then.
 
We need to do our damnedest to get everyone and their dog into shooting sports and hunting. The problem is people don't even know you can own a gun in Canada, never mind ever shot one. Everyone I bring up to the range with me leaves with a huge smile and whole new perspective. It's those that haven't tried it and don't understand guns that fear them. The more of us around the better. More gun owners means more strength, if that happens the politicians will be bribing us with favorable gun laws instead of cutting them and making them more rediculous, I would hope anyway hah.
 
OldDirtyGatMasta said:
The information on the FRT right now regarding these rifles is foreboding sure and the reason we should maintain ready to respond if the RCMP decide they're going to officially change the classification.
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I'm looking at the FRT for my CZ right now, still says non-restricted. On a side note it's the first time I've ever actually used the FRT it's kind of neat, and like any government website backarsewards to navigate or search for anything.
 
Hello guys,

I'm a lawyer in Vancouver who is working on this issue along with the NFA, both on behalf of individual clients, and generally.

The CZ 858 Tactical 2, FRT# 123599-1, is listed as a non-restricted semi-automatic firearm. That is the 19" barrel model (483mm).

The 15.5" barrel model (394mm) continues to be listed as restricted (FRT#123599-3).

Thre are many other names and FRT# however.

Yes, the RCMP have seized some firearms and claimed that they are prohibited. What they have handed out is a copy of the printout for FRT# 142362-2, the "CZ 858 Tactical 2 P". The "2P" is listed as a "Full Automatic" firearm, saying in the notes "can be converted to a full automatic firearm in a relatively short period of time with relative ease."

The problem with all this is that the FRT description for the "Tactical 2" (the non-res) says " "CZ 858 TACTICAL - 2 P" or CZ 858 TACTICAL -2 V" is marked on the left side of the reciever/frame. "P" denotes a factory installed fixed buttstock, and "V" denotes a factory installed folding buttstock." The FRT notes for FRT# 142362-2 (the prohib) say something very similar (minus the stuff about the "V" folding stock).

So, what I am trying to determine right now is... which firearms are prohibited and which are not, and what - precisely - causes a firearm to fall within one FRT description or another. Clearly, being marked "2 P" or "2 V" is not determinative of anything.

I'm hopefully going to be able to work with the importers and other in the firearms industry to get to the bottom of this, because, yes, some people have had firearms seized and have been threatened with prosecution. I personally feel that there is no risk of that as, at this point, how would anybody know what they have or don't have? You have to knowingly possess a prohibited firearm in order to be guilty of anything. But that is not the point. The RCMP have created a hell of a mess here, and it is going to be left to the courts and/or the government to clean this up.
 
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