300Spartans
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Lol. An importer should be bringing these in though.
SKS vs VZ58 - my review
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Lol. An importer should be bringing these in though.
Men also took these to war as well, does that mean its viable and relevant for today?
Give your head a shake, the SKS is a 70 year old design that has not been altered to keep up with current trends and technology. Saying that some clowns took this to "war" is as validating as saying "some people believe bleeding you out cures pneumonia" or "some say the earth is flat, so it must be".
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Men also took these to war as well, does that mean its viable and relevant for today?
Give your head a shake, the SKS is a 70 year old design that has not been altered to keep up with current trends and technology. Saying that some clowns took this to "war" is as validating as saying "some people believe bleeding you out cures pneumonia" or "some say the earth is flat, so it must be".
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Also a cool rifle ! Id love to shoot, wouldn't put any plastic crap on it either. I still say until the mag laws change I don't see much of a difference in the CZ and the SKS other then the price tag.
SKS add on stocks and parts look cheap and ugly to me, the CZs can be done up well but again, until the mag laws change only difference is $800... That can be ALOT of ammo lol
Eaglelord17
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Well lets look at the facts regarding the SKS.
It is semi-auto and accurate enough out to 300m (of course its not a target rifle but can hit a man sized target easy enough). Quick to load it may not be 20 or 30rds but for example with a C7 rapid fire is defined as a round every 6 seconds or so, a SKS can do that easily enough, that's a reload every minute and with those 10rd stripper clips you can load real fast. Ammo is fairly common and easy to get access to. Easy to clean. Easy to use, you can teach a 6-year-old to shoot it (I'm sure some even have in some of the poorer parts of the world).
I don't see how it isn't still a viable platform for today. Yes it is not the ideal choice (something like a FN-FAL or C7 for me would be) but it makes a good SHTF or combat in close range firearm. Just because its 70 years old doesn't mean it is invalid. A AK-47 is a 70 year old platform as well, the M16 is a 60 approaching 70 year old platform (designed in 1956). Are these firearms outdated? Just because something doesn't have 20-30rd magazines or flashlight mounts doesn't mean it still can't work effectively.
My father used to consider all communist firearms junk (cold war mentality) until I bought my first gun a SKS and showed him it. He then decided he had to get one, it was the first firearm he had bought in 10 years. Would I put my life in the hands of a SKS, yes I would because I know it won't let me down, you pull the trigger it goes bang.
Very well said!!!
I fully agree, adding anything to an SKS besides gas and a match is a waste of resources. The CZ can benefit from a few mods but the majority of what you see is garbage. With irons the CZ is fine, but a railed top handguard and a reddot makes it a very capable rifle for all lighting conditions and all firing positions. I prefer a folder over a the factory fixed, and a different pistol grip is a must. Aside from that the CZ is fine as is. Its definitely a vast improvement over the SKS in all regards.
I have never seen anyone reload with a stripper clip at a speed even remotely close to fast or rapid. Compared to detachable box magazines, a stripper clip is a joke. Ammo is the same as the CZ so its not an advantage. The AR and AK are older designs, but both have been tweaked and modernized over the years. The SKS has seen nothing but a warehouse or a piece of Tapco crap plastic and NCstar junk. The fact you can't reliably mount an optic on an SKS, a light, night sights, a proper sling, an adjustable stock(that works), a compensator/flashhider would classify the rifle as outdated. Its overweight, oversized, and not the most reliable system out there. There's a very valid reason why any military with any level of competence issues a self loading rifle with a detachable box magazine, usually 20 or 30 rounds in capacity. There's also a very valid reason why many militaries issue optics to every soldier, and there's a very valid reason why no military worth a damn issues an SKS or similar style rifle.
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You want overweight and oversized look at the SVT ! Lol Also tapco detach mags are very easily obtainable for an sks. I do belive in Canada they all hold 5 anyways ! Lol
Secondly you don't need an optic to hit your target, optics make it easier for some yes. I know some who shoot just as well with Irons as they do optics... I actually have a buddy who refuses to use optics, hunting or target shooting because hes a terrible shot with them for some reason... Great shot with irons.
Everything is just practice, to me a 200 sks is way worth it over the 1600 you spend on a cz to purchase then deck out... I think id be very proficient with the sks after $1400 of ammo through it
Practice makes perfect. (same applies to loading a stripped clip, do it 100 times you will be able to do it fast)
If you need a compensator on an sks you need to worry about hitting the gym more then worrying about the gun !
For me the sks is a little small on the butt, a extension pad fixes that. Other then that, I love them.
Secondly you don't need an optic to hit your target, optics make it easier for some yes. I know some who shoot just as well with Irons as they do optics... I actually have a buddy who refuses to use optics, hunting or target shooting because hes a terrible shot with them for some reason... Great shot with irons.
Everything is just practice, to me a 200 sks is way worth it over the 1600 you spend on a cz to purchase then deck out... I think id be very proficient with the sks after $1400 of ammo through it
Practice makes perfect. (same applies to loading a stripped clip, do it 100 times you will be able to do it fast)
If you need a compensator on an sks you need to worry about hitting the gym more then worrying about the gun !
For me the sks is a little small on the butt, a extension pad fixes that. Other then that, I love them.
You want overweight and oversized look at the SVT ! Lol Also tapco detach mags are very easily obtainable for an sks. I do belive in Canada they all hold 5 anyways ! Lol
Secondly you don't need an optic to hit your target, optics make it easier for some yes. I know some who shoot just as well with Irons as they do optics... I actually have a buddy who refuses to use optics, hunting or target shooting because hes a terrible shot with them for some reason... Great shot with irons.
Everything is just practice, to me a 200 sks is way worth it over the 1600 you spend on a cz to purchase then deck out... I think id be very proficient with the sks after $1400 of ammo through it
Practice makes perfect. (same applies to loading a stripped clip, do it 100 times you will be able to do it fast)
If you need a compensator on an sks you need to worry about hitting the gym more then worrying about the gun !
For me the sks is a little small on the butt, a extension pad fixes that. Other then that, I love them.
You're missing the point. Irons are useable, but an optic is far faster and far more viable under less than ideal conditions. Irons are useless at night, and don't work unless you can align both front and back. A reddot offers the ability to make hits regardless of how or if the rifle is mounted, and it does it day or night. Both eyes open is easier done with a reddot than irons which affords better situational awareness and less fatigue on the eyes.
Your buddy either has an astigmatism(reddot) or he's doing it wrong. Based on the number of people who fail to read an owners manual, don't understand adjustments, are baffled by what an MOA is, it doesn't surprise me. Your test group of one person, is not empirical of anything.
If you're spending $1600 on a VZ you're getting ripped off. They retailed for $700, if you go for the new production CSA guns, they're a grand. Add a half dozen magazines for $150 and you're light years ahead any SKS.
For all the benefits of the cheap SKS and money left over for ammo, it seems no one is shooting or practicing. Its a train wreck watching people attempt a reload with a stripper clip, I guess they spent their money on other stuff.
A compensator is not about recoil reduction, its about reduced muzzle rise and faster follow up shots. Its apparent that a "man" doesn't need a compensator which is likely where you're coming from. I'm not interested in measuring manhood, just making rapid hits on demand. If you'll notice, most military rifles also have a compensator/fashhider.
As for the stock length on the SKS, its not too short, your form sucks. Square up to the target and try shooting it with heavy clothing and/or gear on. The stock will likely fit just fine under these conditions, for which it was designed.
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Then why is no one using a sks anymore? How come the AK replaced it almost immediately after its introduction?
And don't tell me ethiopia or some other sh*thole uses it.
And I have like 12 CZ's which have never not bang, you sure you didnt just forget to putsome rounds in the mag!?!?!? ?
I think after taxes and shipping my prices are bang on. The SKS has hardly any flip it is very easy to make quick hits. My stance is fine because I do square up to target, called adapting to the rifle. Something I learned I needed to do after shooting it a bit.
As for the argument of stripper clips I agree most people are terrible with them. That's why there are detachable mags now.
You keep bringing things back to modern military rifles. If you want one then go buy one ? A CZ and SKS are both old, no matter what useless crap you put on them.
For what most people use the rifles for unless you have an urge to spend extra money SKS>CZ any day of the year.
If your using the guns for competition why not use 223 instead ? If you arnt using the gun for competition then why are you doing all the mods anyways ? 100% personal choice. I choose to not be a mall ninja and just shoot the damn thing. Instead of trying to turn an old gun into a modern military marvel.
Nothing personal here just my point of views. The way I look at it I buy a rifle for what it is, not what I can spend even more money on it to make it become. If I want to buy a modern, fast shooter I can slap optics off and on easily, has good ergonomics and plenty of variety of parts I can put on then I will go buy an AR type platform that comes ready for that. God knows there is enough companies with AR platforms out there! If I want a fun gun that will go bang no matter what, something I can spend that extra money on shooting and having fun with the rifle. Im not thinking of the CZ im thinking SKS all day long...
If you want to go and spend the money knock yourself out, I still personally see no reason to spend all the extra money. SKS is great for target and hunting as is, im sure the CZ is swell also. I just prefer not to spend the extra money. Call me stingy lol.
EDIT: Also for my buddie, yea hahah hes daft when it comes to optics. My point with him was some people prefer irons.
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Ontario Hillbilly
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The beautiful thing about a bone stock sks is that its cheap as dirt, reliable as hell, and it works pretty well. Its not an ar, and ak, or a cz, it is something a little more rudimentary. It is cheap enough to not worry about it banging around in the back of a truck, or getting muddy or wet, and its tough enough that it will still work fine after any kind of abuse. Love it or hate it, it is what is is, and does its job well.
The cz is still being utilized by multiple militaries, nobody uses a sks anymore, nothing more needs to be said for it. Please do tell which wide variety of tests you have done to claim that it will go bang everytime? Have you shot it in freezing -20s? have you shot 1000 rounds or more in one session with zero malfunctions? You keep saying you would spend the difference in price on ammo instead, how many rounds have you put through your sks? By your statements they should be at least 3k if not more.
Leviathan024
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The sks and vz58 are both very fine rifles. For a cheap plinker/truck gun I say sks but for a more modern rifle that can have lights and optics I would go with vz58.
Everyone has their own preferences but for me the SKS offers me everything that I need in a Rifle and even though I can afford to get a VZ58 I am quite happy with my collection of SKS's...I simply love the looks and feel of them....again it comes down to preference and to each his own.
Most people don't spend that much on ammo, thankfully im not most people. So yeah I say just over that mark over a year and a half.
Yes have shot in -20.
Have "rapid fired" it waiting for something to go wrong ( 100 rounds and had to hold the mag because the for end of the gun was so hot)
I don't call this "tests" I call them treating and sks like an sks, my buddy shot and never cleaned his for a year... Still shoots fine and works fine. I would assume they use the CZ over the SKS is because full auto and 30 round magazines are better then semi and 10. Seeing in Canada we are limited to 5 and semi in both guns. Again show me why I should hold the CZ in such a high regard? Same round, same reliability, both a fun 7.62 plinker rifle. Pay an extra 800 for a pistol grip and a bit of looks, nah im ok.
Edit: rounds all are not through the same rifle, the first sks was left in a flooded basement, then not cleaned so had some good rust and pitting... Still fired but looked ugly was rough. So hey for 200 bucks I went and got another ! Took the old ones firing pin out and slapped it on the wall. If I wanted a modern military rifle with cool optics and is black and scary Ill get a tav, T97, XLR, XCR or AR platform type rifle that comes ready for optics and gadgets. Something that is made for them !
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