infideleggwelder
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
how come i DON`T have one?Common, am I the only one with a T-shirt that says that?
where you get that?
The Bess,her bayonet and owners saved Canada.
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Not boring at all, quite amazing and sobering to be honest. Even with all the rye in my system.
Indeed, Canada was saved - for the likes of P.E.T., Mulroney, Martin, Chretien, Wallin, Harb, Brazeu, and Duffy to pillage at will.
200 years ago the battle to Liberate Canada was lost.
Well, I don't know if it too many coffee's this morning or what, but I find your statement kind of offensive and one with little thought put behind it. I'll have you know that aside from some silly firearms law (which can be changed for better or worse BTW), Canada and her citizens enjoy more personal freedoms than anywhere on the planet, we have a higher standard of living than most and for a country with a relatively small population have a voice (that is well heeded) globally.
Just because you don't share a political view, does that equate to you believing that anyone who doesn't agree shouldn't be allowed to speak, or vote the above named into office!?
Speaking as someone who's ancestors were on the battle fields in Canada 200 years ago, I can tell you for a fact that they weren't fighting to liberate anything, rather they were fighting to prevent an invader from burning their home's and farms to the ground. After hostilities ceased, these same people fought to remove the "family compact" from political power, both with powder and ball (our little revolution) and more importantly and effectively with their voices and vote.
I would therefore suggest to you that 200 years ago, our farmer ancestors sent a message not only to our cousins to the south but to the world, that this is our land, that we will defend our land, our farms, our wives and children and our way of life. In this we are united and unwavering. It was the beginning of our birth as a nation.
If you don't like the leadership or representatives of the country, get vocal and active...don't slander our good name.
...yea, definitely too many coffee's...rant over.
Well, I don't know if it too many coffee's this morning or what, but I find your statement kind of offensive and one with little thought put behind it. I'll have you know that aside from some silly firearms law (which can be changed for better or worse BTW), Canada and her citizens enjoy more personal freedoms than anywhere on the planet, we have a higher standard of living than most and for a country with a relatively small population have a voice (that is well heeded) globally.
Just because you don't share a political view, does that equate to you believing that anyone who doesn't agree shouldn't be allowed to speak, or vote the above named into office!?
Speaking as someone who's ancestors were on the battle fields in Canada 200 years ago, I can tell you for a fact that they weren't fighting to liberate anything, rather they were fighting to prevent an invader from burning their home's and farms to the ground. After hostilities ceased, these same people fought to remove the "family compact" from political power, both with powder and ball (our little revolution) and more importantly and effectively with their voices and vote.
I would therefore suggest to you that 200 years ago, our farmer ancestors sent a message not only to our cousins to the south but to the world, that this is our land, that we will defend our land, our farms, our wives and children and our way of life. In this we are united and unwavering. It was the beginning of our birth as a nation.
If you don't like the leadership or representatives of the country, get vocal and active...don't slander our good name.
...yea, definitely too many coffee's...rant over.
Devils advocate. To the Brits Benedict Arnold was a true patriot. To the Americans he was a traitor.
I mourn the loss of the Canada that the folks were fighting for 200 years ago. The politicians and the bureaucrats have only left a shadow of that Canada.
Our way of life has been seriously compromised by our own government.
How so? Specifics are always useful.
Mike Duffy, Patrick Brazeau, Steve Harper, Brian Mulroney, Kim Campbell, Jean Chretien, and P.E.T....
How has Kim Campbell "seriously compromised your way of life"? Specify please.
By placing a prohibition on a number of firearms that I possess, that I used to use for safety training... you missed her O.I.C. Prohibitions of firearms in 1992? She is why you can not possess a number of guns...
"She" is the reasoning!? Did she personally draft the bill? Did she then bribe members of the house to pass the bill?...You sir, put far too much weight on an elected party leader. We as a nation via representation vote put that party into power (majority? I don't recall)...don't like the law, change it.
To personalize a parties position onto that individual party's lead is sophomoric. I would also suggest that due to the fact that certain firearms are prohibited has not "seriously compromised" anyone's "way of life".
Fair? No. Does it suck that owning firearms is a privilege in Canada and not a Constitutional Right? You bet.
The only way to change this reality is to get more people into the shooting "sports" preferably politicians. It is political pressure and voting clout that changes laws of this land. Then and only then would you hear the Kim Campbell's (Justin?) change their tune and petition the House of change...because the public demands it. If this "power" were to be eroded from us, then you would have my agreement that a way of life has been "seriously" compromised.
Stop whining, start electing only officials that truly represent our agenda. If they lie, steal or are corrupt, vote them out with extreme prejudice and demand police intervention, as it is our collective funds that are being misappropriated. These are our rights and no one dares to compromise them whatsoever.
To personalize a parties position onto that individual party's lead is sophomoric. I would also suggest that due to the fact that certain firearms are prohibited has not "seriously compromised" anyone's "way of life".
Fair? No. Does it suck that owning firearms is a privilege in Canada and not a Constitutional Right? You bet.
The only way to change this reality is to get more people into the shooting "sports" preferably politicians. It is political pressure and voting clout that changes laws of this land. Then and only then would you hear the Kim Campbell's (Justin?) change their tune and petition the House of change...because the public demands it. If this "power" were to be eroded from us, then you would have my agreement that a way of life has been "seriously" compromised.
Stop whining, start electing only officials that truly represent our agenda. If they lie, steal or are corrupt, vote them out with extreme prejudice and demand police intervention, as it is our collective funds that are being misappropriated. These are our rights and no one dares to compromise them whatsoever.
It was not a bill, it was a prohibition done via O.I.C. (order in council) that was approved and signed by her. Parliament had no debate, imput, or influence on the prohibition. Nor did gun owners or back benchers have notice. It was tabled in Parliament Nov 29, 1992 and came into force January 1, of 1993.
(Section 117 and 119 of the Firearms act give the minister in charge of the act (also known as the "Governor in Council" tremendous powers to create regulation and change the terms to keep a gun license and the fees to get a gun license, I can not imagine what will happen with Mark Holland, T. Muclair, or J. Trudeau with those powers, can you?)
You will not hear any anti gun owner poltician "Change their tune" even when you present with fact. They simply get angry and tell you they disagree, and to get out of their life.
BTW: I was at the C.P.C. policy convention working for gun owners- were you?
Possession of arms is not mentioned in the Founding legislation but it is a right that pre exists and was not extinguished by either the constitution or the charter. There is a great deal in the Firearms act and Criminal code regarding guns that does NOT meet the standard set in the Constitution or Charter.
Enforcement and interpretation of both the F.A. and the C.C.C. concerning guns have gone way beyond what both documents set as rule of law.
On the topic at hand, if the Americans would have won, folks would now call it a great victory. The winner writes the history books..
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The Americans won the revolution after the Declaration of Independence - they claim it as a great victory. Britain saw it as an incredible loss.
The Brits won the battle for Quebec, it is claimed a great victory by the Brits, there are some in Quebec who still want to get out from under rule of another government (First Britain, then Ottawa).
Once again the history books are written by those who won, the winners celebrate the battles they won...
You do not hear the U.S. reason for the White House being painted white - it was burned by British troops in 1814....
That one gets very few paragraphs in the U.S. history books
...the building was actually referred to as the White House, before it was burnt by British Regulars...just sayin'.
In 1812, there was no Canada. Just a bunch of British subjects, clinging to the monarchy's apron strings. Sorta like today.
I'd much prefer to be the 51st state, with freedoms that we can only fantisize about.
Americans: A proud people.
Canadians: The only thing we're proud about, is that we're not Americans.
Pity!
I'd much prefer to be the 51st state, with freedoms that we can only fantisize about.
Americans: A proud people.
Canadians: The only thing we're proud about, is that we're not Americans.
Pity!
In 1812, there was no Canada. Just a bunch of British subjects, clinging to the monarchy's apron strings. Sorta like today.
I'd much prefer to be the 51st state, with freedoms that we can only fantisize about.
Americans: A proud people.
Canadians: The only thing we're proud about, is that we're not Americans.
Pity!
U.S. President Madison responsible for the deaths, injured of 35,000 people due to his campaign of blood bent on the destruction of the future greatest country on the planet, Canada. America today is not what it's 1776 forefathers wanted, Americas have little democratic freedom except to vote, soon electronically, for 1 of 2 people,period. Their big brother is watching and does take action otherwise.
Canada's freedom fighters of 1812 in Upper Canada were Brit soldiers,Native Warriors who's families faced mass extermination and Militiamen mostly who were ex Americans forced off their lands, and escaped black slaves.
What many Canadians are proud of is the will of the people to defy armed invaders and the destruction they bring. 1812 and now.
Remember Stoney Creek. Where the U.S. admits to 17 dead. Truth is 39 buried by locals and individual counts by 9 regiments equal 70 total. The U.S. number cruncher can't even get that right!
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We had a lecture at Range Burlington on the Brown Bess on January 30.
It was real good.
The gun that ruled the British Empire.
Come and join us this Friday January 30, 2015 at 8:00 pm (Range Burlington Club House) for our introduction to our Guest Speakers at BRRC's Black Powder Night.
It will be open to all Range Burlington members and guests.
This months topic will be the Brown Bess Musket and how it helped fold Canada into the country that it is today.
Have you ever wanted to step back in time over 200 years ago, well now is your chance.
You will see some of the more rare and original (Antique) pattern muskets on display that where used right up to and including the War of 1812.
Battle of Stoney Creek, Battle of Lundy's Lane and Battle of Beaver Dam's, just to name a few.
Too see so many Brown Bess on the table at once was exciting to us all.
Yes, as I said, if they could only talk.
We had two guest Brown Bess appearances that turned out to make their owners day.
Thank you to all for attending.
Stay tuned, we have more to come.
A pivotal firearm that really is immense in its place in history.
If you're interested, none other than Rudyard Kipling penned a ode to her...... (just Google "Kipling Bess" and you'll find it...). Here's a few lines ...
" ... An out-spoken, flinty-lipped, brazen-faced jade,
With a habit of looking men straight in the eyes--
At Blenheim and Ramillies fops would confess
They were pierced to the heart by the charms of Brown Bess. ... "
Bravo, gentlemen! Bravo.
Your efforts -- which were not small -- edified, entertained and encouraged a classroom full of your fellow shooters.
A great way to spend an evening, learning about these fascinating firearms and getting an overview of their place in our country's history.
I wonder how many of those lovely Brown Bess muskets, on show at Range Burlington, were at the Battle of Stoney Creek .... or at Lundy's Lane, Beaver Dams ... or, who knows ... ? As several participants stated: "If only they could talk!!"
Gee .... just think ... if it wasn't for Brown Bess and her sisters, we might be speaking American today, in this part of the world.
(Thank you, Brown Bess.)
And thank you, too, to Range Burlington, for facilitating such added value activities.
We had a lecture at Range Burlington on the Brown Bess on January 30.
It was real good.
The gun that ruled the British Empire.
Come and join us this Friday January 30, 2015 at 8:00 pm (Range Burlington Club House) for our introduction to our Guest Speakers at BRRC's Black Powder Night.
It will be open to all Range Burlington members and guests.
This months topic will be the Brown Bess Musket and how it helped fold Canada into the country that it is today.
Have you ever wanted to step back in time over 200 years ago, well now is your chance.
You will see some of the more rare and original (Antique) pattern muskets on display that where used right up to and including the War of 1812.
Battle of Stoney Creek, Battle of Lundy's Lane and Battle of Beaver Dam's, just to name a few.
Too see so many Brown Bess on the table at once was exciting to us all.
Yes, as I said, if they could only talk.
We had two guest Brown Bess appearances that turned out to make their owners day.
Thank you to all for attending.
Stay tuned, we have more to come.
A pivotal firearm that really is immense in its place in history.
If you're interested, none other than Rudyard Kipling penned a ode to her...... (just Google "Kipling Bess" and you'll find it...). Here's a few lines ...
" ... An out-spoken, flinty-lipped, brazen-faced jade,
With a habit of looking men straight in the eyes--
At Blenheim and Ramillies fops would confess
They were pierced to the heart by the charms of Brown Bess. ... "
Bravo, gentlemen! Bravo.
Your efforts -- which were not small -- edified, entertained and encouraged a classroom full of your fellow shooters.
A great way to spend an evening, learning about these fascinating firearms and getting an overview of their place in our country's history.
I wonder how many of those lovely Brown Bess muskets, on show at Range Burlington, were at the Battle of Stoney Creek .... or at Lundy's Lane, Beaver Dams ... or, who knows ... ? As several participants stated: "If only they could talk!!"
Gee .... just think ... if it wasn't for Brown Bess and her sisters, we might be speaking American today, in this part of the world.
(Thank you, Brown Bess.)
And thank you, too, to Range Burlington, for facilitating such added value activities.
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maple leaf
CGN frequent flyer
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OK now I need that T-shirt and a Bess!
- Location
- vancouver island
Fortunate enough to own one of the 3000 or so Bess' purchased in 1811 for the militia. It spent a good portion of it's life on display in a fire hall on the Niagara peninsula area-not sure exactly where. When the fire hall was torn down the gun was given back to the original family who owned it and it then came via others to me for restoration. The butt stock was broken in 2 thru the comb- the type of break from being used as a club-perhaps on some American head. It was nicely repaired in the period with inset metal plates and no doubt a piece of local history is contained in this piece. One of many never documented. Fascinating !!
