Sks + Corrosive Ammo = This (WARNING graphic)

Thank you for posting those horrid pictures. That horror made me go run a patch down my CZ and to my dismay it came out a little brown-ish. Not sure why, last time out I cleaned it well and oiled it, but it's been a few weeks. Needless to say, I spent the next 1/2 hour brushing, cleaning and oiling. Thanks for the reminder.
 
LoL!!!
It looks like fireballs gun.
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Ok first of don't flame me, this is NOT MY RIFLE and I would never neglect my sks or any rifle for that matter. Just thought I'd share this with you guys as I get a kick out of some people's laziness and neglect.

Ok so my good friend doesn't not have his PAL yet but he really wanted an sks (loved mine so much) so we went together and I bought it for him and agreed I would keep in in my Possesion until he got his pal.

Now the deal was even though I'm the legal owner of this rifle it is still HIS rifle. Therefore after shooting he must clean it and maintain it as his own (he's well aware of corrosive ammo and it's properties). I always clean my rifles right after shooting and I told him he's more then welcome to come over after shooting (or anytime) and have a few beers while we clean them.

Needless to say he got lazy, never came over and here's the results. Now I have the rest of my Saturday planned cleaning his rifle because I can't stand too see it like this anymore haha. I'll post some after pics when I get done.

And oh ya, this is about three weeks since shooting roughly 200 rounds

^^READ BEFORE YOU FLAME ME^^ :cool:


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Buffer the bolt and carrier and JB Bore bright the bore and barrel. Hot water clean everything afterwards and leave it soaked with kroil oil. Then wipe clean again and re-lube and put away.
Also another word of advise. Steer clear of Leverarms so called "non-corrosive" ammo for sale.
 
Been reading this thread with interest and another more recent one about corrosive ammo. First let me say, I am one of those folks that believes you should have a habit of cleaning your firearms the same day, if not the very next day, no matter what type of ammo you use. But that's mainly because I'm one that feels it's just part of responsible gun ownership. With that said, if you know you aren't firing corrosive ammo, then really it boils down to how motivated or lazy you tend to get after an exhausting day at the range. Just so no one thinks I'm a purist or have NEVER failed in this, well a couple months ago I decided to do a trigger job on one of my Ruger 10/22's. It had probably been since the first of June or maybe even May since I last fired it. Since I am religious about cleaning my guns after shooting them, I was appalled to find I had not on this 10/22! Of course, non-corrosive ammo meant nothing bad had happened. Now, had that been one of my SKS's, Mosin's or AK's which I shoot corrosive almost exclusively, I would have been in for a surprise.

However, while I often see the topic of non-corrosive vs corrosive ammo and how you should handle it, come up often, one thing that doesn't seem to be talked about it how much real damage is done and how that damage will affect the firearm's performance. I had always wondered, until I bought a 1949 SKS a couple years ago, that had been seriously rode hard and put away wet. I bought it from a gentleman at a gun show on a Saturday, took it home, tore her down to find an amazing amount of corrosion and decay. It was late and I had no time to deal with it that night, plus I didn't think another day one way or another would matter. The next day, at the same gun show, I actually asked the seller about it. It had been his personal firearm and not something he had taken in trade, so I asked him when the last time he shot it was. He thought for a moment and said probably about 10 years. I'm sure I had "that" look on my face as I walked away, starting to really wonder what I would find once I started attacking the problem. I, like the OP, had to use a punch and mallet to carefully get the piston out. I didn't think to take pics of that before I went at it with a mix of Hoppes #9 Plus, CLP/Gun Oil and some Gun Scrubber.

But, here are pics I did shoot of the gas port before I cleaned it. That is an amazing amount of carbon buildup and to be honest, at first I thought it was mostly corrosion. I was actually wondering if it would negatively affect the bolt operation and gas pressures. At some point I thought perhaps I could "chisel" the "corrosion" off or at least smooth it down and thinking there couldn't be anything further I could do to damage it, I grabbed an actual thin wood chisel. It did start flaking off, but I was pleasantly surprised that what I thought was corrosion was simply a massive amount of carbon buildup! This HAS to be thousands of rounds of build up without cleaning, over time.



And after cleaning. Seems to have staved off serious damage.



Here is a picture of the piston and the pitting and corrosion caused by corrosive ammo.




Also, the bore was a serious sewer pipe. As bad as anything I've ever dealt with on my many Mosin's. Being that a '49 does not have a chrome lined bore, I was really regretting my purchase. As you folks know, SKS's are not cheap down in the states and a '49 commands a premium. I still got what we would call a good deal ($400) for a '49. The bore was very dark and fuzzy. I couldn't even see and lands and grooves and when you take that first 6 or 7 swabs, you literally have to slowly smack your hand on the handle to get the brush through. After about 2 hours and a plethora of different cleaning agents, here's what I found.





In that last pic, you can see that not cleaning this firearm has taken a bit of a toll on the bore with obvious pitting, but surprisingly, not too bad. The lands and grooves are still fairly sharp. So if the guy hadn't cleaned it in over 10 years, well...Not bad all things considered.

My whole point in this reply is to say that there's really no reason to fear shooting corrosive milsurp ammo. While I still believe I should clean my firearms right after use, I'm not going to lose sleep over it, if it happens the next day or even the next week. If I absolutely cannot get to it soon, I simply just run a dripping wet (with tap water) patch through the bore a few times and call it good. I'll pop the gas tube off and throw the piston, bolt and carrier into a Hoppes #9 Plus solution and rinse out the gas tube. Then, if it's a few days before I get back to it, nothing will have happened.

This girl has lived a hard life, but she still shoots as well as any of my other SKS's.



 
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hey OP what kind of ammo was used? a friend of mine fired off a full 1400 round crate of czech surplus over a year and never cleaned it once. im guessing hes put about 2000 rounds through it in 3 years and only cleaned it once. yet his is way cleaner looking then your friends after only 200 rounds...?
 
I clean after each use, I enjoy it. A few days was cleaning as per usual, but I ran a copper brush into the large diameter end of the gas tube, and a whole pile of carbon came out. It pretty much wrecked the brush, I guess due to the different diameters. I've always thought this was the trickiest part to clean. What some of the tricks to clean gas tube, and the front gas port where it bleeds gas off the barrel to actuate the piston??
Thx
T
 
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I clean after each use, I enjoy it. A few days was cleaning as per usual, but I ran a copper brush into the large diameter end of the gas tube, and a whole pile of carbon came out. It pretty much wrecked the brush, I guess due to the different diameters. I've always thought this was the trickiest part to clean. What some of the tricks to clean gas tube, and the front gas port where it bleeds gas off the barrel to actuate the piston??
Thx
T

Personally, I have found a 12 gauge brush works pretty well down the large portion of the gas tube, then I flip it around and use a .40 or .45 brush (can't remember which at the moment). I've also used an old tooth brush on the larger part. I'm always amazed how dirty the gas tube gets, myself. If I've been shooting corrosive ammo, I also clean the piston extension under the rear sight and that area. I find most folks forget or don't care to clean that part, but it's usually pretty dirty too.
 
Personally, I have found a 12 gauge brush works pretty well down the large portion of the gas tube, then I flip it around and use a .40 or .45 brush (can't remember which at the moment). I've also used an old tooth brush on the larger part. I'm always amazed how dirty the gas tube gets, myself. If I've been shooting corrosive ammo, I also clean the piston extension under the rear sight and that area. I find most folks forget or don't care to clean that part, but it's usually pretty dirty too.

I usually have a look, but doesn't seem to accumulate crap like the piston end of the gas tube. I will try the brushes as you suggested.
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Fireball is this you??? :p
READ FIRST!

Ok first of don't flame me, this is NOT MY RIFLE and I would never neglect my sks or any rifle for that matter. Just thought I'd share this with you guys as I get a kick out of some people's laziness and neglect.

Ok so my good friend doesn't not have his PAL yet but he really wanted an sks (loved mine so much) so we went together and I bought it for him and agreed I would keep in in my Possesion until he got his pal.

Now the deal was even though I'm the legal owner of this rifle it is still HIS rifle. Therefore after shooting he must clean it and maintain it as his own (he's well aware of corrosive ammo and it's properties). I always clean my rifles right after shooting and I told him he's more then welcome to come over after shooting (or anytime) and have a few beers while we clean them.

Needless to say he got lazy, never came over and here's the results. Now I have the rest of my Saturday planned cleaning his rifle because I can't stand too see it like this anymore haha. I'll post some after pics when I get done.

And oh ya, this is about three weeks since shooting roughly 200 rounds

^^READ BEFORE YOU FLAME ME^^ :cool:


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Think ima go home a fondle my babies tonight, maybe a little cleaning then a bed time story...I love my guns and would never, never let them get like that...
 
Just a note for all SKS owners. I found a very quick and effective way to clean corrosive crap off of your gun.

I strip mine, then stick the bare barrel and receiver in the lawn bayonet first. (Yes the neighbours wonder what I am up to)

Then I sneak into the house and borrow my wife's much treasured hand steamer. You know, the kind for cleaning tile grout and stuff.

This thing blows off grease/oil/corrosive junk in seconds. Also it warms the metal so much that it dries in seconds after.

Then I blow off all the odds and ends with it, let it all dry, oil it and put it together. Its very quick.

Anyway, if your wife has one of these things, give it a try. It works awesome. I blow it right down the barrel and into the gas port and everything.

Oh ya, there was even some cosmo left above the gas cylinder, on the wood, the steamer blew it right out in seconds.
 
Just a note for all SKS owners. I found a very quick and effective way to clean corrosive crap off of your gun.

I strip mine, then stick the bare barrel and receiver in the lawn bayonet first. (Yes the neighbours wonder what I am up to)

Then I sneak into the house and borrow my wife's much treasured hand steamer. You know, the kind for cleaning tile grout and stuff.

This thing blows off grease/oil/corrosive junk in seconds. Also it warms the metal so much that it dries in seconds after.

Then I blow off all the odds and ends with it, let it all dry, oil it and put it together. Its very quick.

Anyway, if your wife has one of these things, give it a try. It works awesome. I blow it right down the barrel and into the gas port and everything.

Oh ya, there was even some cosmo left above the gas cylinder, on the wood, the steamer blew it right out in seconds.

This works. I've got one of those $20 steam blaster and used it to clean the cosmo away.
 
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