600 yard rifle

I am surprise nobody ask you what you use for ranging the target / game?


Even with the flatest shooting calibers and today's high bc bullet the drop could be off by more than 20 inches if your estimation is off by 30 yards @ 600.


It can be done but its harder than most people think and I think its more depending on the shooter than the caliber / equipment because you are shooting in the field at unknown distance not at the range, besides your rifle and scope I woukd seriously consider an accurate and reliable range finder.
 
Spcamno said:
On I am surprise nobody ask you what you use for ranging the target / game?


Even with the flatest shooting calibers and today's high bc bullet the drop could be off by more than 20 inches if your estimation is off by 30 yards @ 600.


It can be done but its harder than most people think and I think its more depending on the shooter than the caliber / equipment.
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In this day and age I think you can assume that anyone serious about longer range shooting has an appropriate laser range finder.
 
Spcamno said:
I am surprise nobody ask you what you use for ranging the target / game?


Even with the flatest shooting calibers and today's high bc bullet the drop could be off by more than 20 inches if your estimation is off by 30 yards @ 600.


It can be done but its harder than most people think and I think its more depending on the shooter than the caliber / equipment because you are shooting in the field at unknown distance not at the range, besides your rifle and scope I woukd seriously consider an accurate and reliable range finder.
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OH MY GOD !!! I have put 500 rounds down range on a 10x10 iron plate while warming up for 1000 yard + shots in the past 2 years ... NEVER ONCE MISSING ... EVER ! even from summer to winter at my range the barometric pressure change will only effect my 7rem mag with a 180 Berger VLD going 2800 fps by a couple to 5 inches at the MOST ! Still keeping me on my 10x10 plate


30 YARDS ?! JEEEZZUZZZ !


My Girl friend shoots a 1000 ...

I love it when guys talk about game taking a step at 600 - 1000 yards when you pull the trigger ... well with my HD Swaro I can see them sleeping on the moon and they are dead before the can wake up from the sound of the shot ! They certainly are not going to stand up have a stretch and take a step by the time you pull the trigger

With good practice ... " an off season a couple of times a week " and making responsible choices when it comes to conditions .... 600 yards in the field is nothing with the right equipment.

anyone that says other wise just cant do it !
 
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Ya shooting long range is hard... the trigger pull weight gets real heavy at long range and plus really gotta throw your shoulder into it to get that little bit extra fps.
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pilot2001 said:
OH MY GOD !!! I have put 500 rounds down range on a 10x10 iron plate while warming up for 1000 yard + shots in the past 2 years ... NEVER ONCE MISSING ... EVER ! even from summer to winter at my range the barometric pressure change will only effect my 7rem mag with a 180 Berger VLD going 2800 fps by a couple to 5 inches at the MOST ! Still keeping me on my 10x10 plate


30 YARDS ?! JEEEZZUZZZ !


My Girl friend shoots a 1000 ...

I love it when guys talk about game taking a step at 600 - 1000 yards when you pull the trigger ... well with my HD Swaro I can see them sleeping on the moon and they are dead before the can wake up from the sound of the shot ! They certainly are not going to stand up have a stretch and take a step by the time you pull the trigger

With good practice ... " an off season a couple of times a week " and making responsible choices when it comes to conditions .... 600 yards in the field is nothing with the right equipment.

anyone that says other wise just cant do it !
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i here ya...i used the 7mm rem.mag. fo rover 30 years as a back up gun it is to nail that animal on the next hillside to but it down as the grizz thing whatever as a backup...the longest with the 7mm was 720 cut the wind pipe and main vein lucky i am thinking the bullet just started to open and turned cutting both ..now i use the 375 you can see the steam come out my dad still has that old 175 gr. bullet
 
Actually what I was getting at was that a .338-06 loaded with heavy(ish) bullets, and a case full of slow burning powder, is going to pound you if you're recoil sensitive, but it won't shoot anywhere near as flat as the .300
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I'm picking up what you're laying down, but Burke used to shoot a .338-06 so I don't think he's too recoil sensitive although mine is sure a pussycat to shoot :) I think you might be right about the big case "medium bore" rounds for 600 yard elk.
 
shockwave said:
I agree with you on the Lapua. Very hard hitting round. Still wish I had mine
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yes for the 338 Lapua ..this was a bit heavy..and on the reloading bench the 375H&H is not far behind if useing 250gr. BUT THERE IS A POINT OF JUST HOW MUCH POWER but i am toying with the idea a few rums and on the site is DANGEROUS TRG for me um what do i not need as per sell
 
Personally, I don't see the 338-06 being a good choice for longer range shooting, sorry.

Any of your factory 7mm mags, 30 cal mags (if you changed your mind), or 338 mags would do the job just fine.

Even the "lowly" 30-06 loaded with a high BC 210 grain bullet will carry very well out to 600 yards and kill just fine. Run some numbers on a 30-06 with high BC heavy bullets, and you'll see it surpasses factory 300 win mag around 350 yards and out. Winchester 180 grain factory 300 winmag, for example, is listed as 1859 ft/lbs @ 400 yards; my handloaded 210 gr VLD's have 2088 at the same range, and the spread gets bigger farther out.
 
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Yup, considering the amount of practice a person should do with a long-range rifle, I just don't get the love affair with these high recoil magnums. With the optics we have today, trajectory can easily be compensated for and as long as you can maintain impact velocities in the 1800-2000fps range, you can make most bullets work to their full potential. Even the lowly 30-06 can do that with a 165 grain bullet well past 500 yards. Start shooting the big magnums a lot from the prone position and tell me your shooting style isn't compromised. There's a reason that dedicated long-range rifles in big magnums weigh in excess of 15 pounds. In a hunting weight...you are just looking to develop some really bad shooting habits.
 
In my rifle the 155 gr Lapua Scenar will be on par or better than a SMK 175gr up to 1000 yards, the fact that the Scenar have a low sectional density permit more momentum and the slick 508 BC will keep the 155 gr transonic to 1000 yards... Launch at 2850 fps that load will compete with the bigger boys... JP.
 
mrak said:
yes for the 338 Lapua ..this was a bit heavy..and on the reloading bench the 375H&H is not far behind if useing 250gr. BUT THERE IS A POINT OF JUST HOW MUCH POWER but i am toying with the idea a few rums and on the site is DANGEROUS TRG for me um what do i not need as per sell
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the 375H&H does not have the long range ability of the lapua
 
I use a braked 300 Win Mag shooting Berger bullets for long range hunting. Shot a moose last fall at 778m. It's good out to around 1000m depending on loads and environmental conditions. If I was building a dedicated long range setup for large game (knowing what I do now), I would go with a custom built single shot 338 Lapua, probably from ATRS in Calgary. Long range in big game means a heavy hitter, which means in order to spot your shots (and practice comfortably), you will need a brake. The 338 Lapua is not a wildcat, which means high quality brass and dies are avail off the shelf. Lots of high ballistic coefficient bullets are avail as well. Disregard the internet commandos on this forum. If you are truly interested in long range hunting and are tired of the preachers, go to the Long Range Hunting (LRH) forum. Lots of good info and the ethical hunting crowd is banned.
 
There's a whole lot of difference between a 1,000 yard rifle and a 500-600 yard rifle. .338 seems pointless at 500-600.
 
sheephunter said:
There's a whole lot of difference between a 1,000 yard rifle and a 500-600 yard rifle. .338 seems pointless at 500-600.
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it is only pointless to have a rifle capable of much more if you can guarantee all the legal game you see on your long range hunt will be within 600m or less.
 
For me, as soon as I shot out to 500 or 600, I wanted to go further. Started out with a 308, and now have a 300 Win Mag, but would rather have a 338 Lapua. Had a bullet that didn't expand at about 1750 fps. Could have pushed it faster and harder at range with a 338.

Cold bore shooting in cold weather makes a big diff in my rifle. At -15 to -20C my CBS (Rem 700 XCR LR in 300 Win Mag) is consistently 30 fps faster than my follow on shots. That's with the rifle and ammo cooled to ambient temp. According to research online, different barrels will have diff results. Some will be slower and some faster, but they are generally consistent in the same rifle.
 
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