Thanks Boomer, i have trown the towel after they send me back the rifle from the factory with a 3 shots test target of 1.60 MOA ( i will look in my papers and take a picture of the official test target and post it here), telling me that it was all within paramaters, this was not the light model, a regular 84 wooden stock 308, in my book this kind of MOA out a 308 is not tolerable, my cheaper rifles were all MOA or sub... I invest so much time in load devellopment into that rifle and never succeded breaking the 1.5 MOA... I just got a bad one and this first impression is present in my mind when peoples talk about their Kimber... JP.
Thinking of building "mountain" rifle
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Thanks Boomer, i have trown the towel after they send me back the rifle from the factory with a 3 shots test target of 1.60 MOA ( i will look in my papers and take a picture of the official test target and post it here), telling me that it was all within paramaters, this was not the light model, a regular 84 wooden stock 308, in my book this kind of MOA out a 308 is not tolerable, my cheaper rifles were all MOA or sub... I invest so much time in load devellopment into that rifle and never succeded breaking the 1.5 MOA... I just got a bad one and this first impression is present in my mind when peoples talk about their Kimber... JP.
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Not the light model? Weight on the 84M Classic like you had is 5 lbs. 10 oz.
bearkilr
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Ummmmm, no. The Steyr weighs almost one pound more and has a much shorter 19" bbl. Pretty substantial difference.
But regardless, I'm not doubting your experience, it's just not that common at all with the 84M in 308. Most issues with Kimbers stem from the 8400 models, specifically the WSM chamberings.
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Exactly.
Now there's a long range rig if I ever saw one; with the sun glittering off that thing you'd never get within a half mile of game.
I refuse to take a shot on a game animal any closer than 600 yards anyways!
Depending upon your definition of a performer you may or may not be happy...
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Correct, and those certainly add some weight. My point was that the Kimber is built to be an ultralight hunting rifle, aka "mountain rifle", basically being trimmed wherever possible while maintaining a barrel length that achieves near max potential velocity. The Scout is more of a tactical type firearm as evidenced by the attached accessories. The Kimber can be difficult to shoot accurately for these reasons, and all else being equal, a shorter barrel ,like on the Steyr, is generally more accurate.
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A "mountain rifle" designation to me should have a short barrel. Overall length is one of the biggest factors I find with carrying something for extended periods of time and through varying terrain next to it's weight.
For any pack in trip if you plan to carry a spare mag, bipod or shooting sticks, etc for your ultralight rifle, the extra weight of the steyr is negligable IMO. With everything being attatched to the rifle in a permanent fashion (Steyr) it is also harder to lose or misplace right when you need it in my experience
For any pack in trip if you plan to carry a spare mag, bipod or shooting sticks, etc for your ultralight rifle, the extra weight of the steyr is negligable IMO. With everything being attatched to the rifle in a permanent fashion (Steyr) it is also harder to lose or misplace right when you need it in my experience
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bearkilr
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I think you'll find that the manufacturers and consumers disagree with you on that. Most mountain hunting involves long range shooting, in other words velocity is a definite factor and selling point. What you're describing are the attributes wanted in a brush rifle.
Can't argue that a carbine is handy in the woods, but a mountain rifle is built to hunt sub-alpine and above so OAL is not a factor to most.
Now if your pushing the slopes on the coastal mountains for blacktail the shorter barrel is nice,but not a deal breaker.
No spare magazines,bipods or shooting sticks etc. ever follow me into the high country when I hunt there.
"Spare" this and "back-up" that add ounces real fast, and simply put the heavier your load-out the less amount of ground you can cover in a day.
A steyr scout can be pressed into service as a mountain rifle no doubt, but I would never call it one.
In before the poster from ontario who suggests losing some weight around the middle.
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In before the poster from ontario who suggests losing some weight around the middle.
Haha, so you were expecting that too ? Usually within the first 8 or 10 posts.... LOL !
I went with a 22" barrel on my most recent mountain build. A compact, light rifle is important....far more important than an extra 100fps of velocity. With modern optics, velocity is pretty easily compensated for and truthfully, most mountain shots are likely in the 200-300 yard range but it is nice to have a rifle capable of more than that but velocity would be pretty low on my list of wishes. My latest rifle pushes a 130 grain bullet at a modest 2810fps. As the rifle is likely to spend a lot of time tied on your pack, I'd say OAL does matter and that shorter is better...within reason of course.
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And 22" is short? Check the lengths on most guns made these days. Short actions seem to be 22" give or take, long action and short mags 24" with a few long action mags having 26", but quite a few in 24" as well. When I'm talking short, I meant 18-20". I don't see many Mtn rifles in that length.
Yup, I'd say 22" is shorter than average for sure but you are correct that you don't see many mountain rifles or truly many bolt actions at all with 18-20" barrels.
