Are you/will you be a T97 owner?
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Let's see
: m305: excellent, no issues, accurate, reliable so far, 500-600 rounds.
: Cqa 5.56mm rifle: excellent, no issues, reliable so far 1000 rounds or so.
: Cq311: poopy finish, excellent accuracy with 55 grain, reliable so far, 1500 rounds or so.
: Chicom sks x2: sks accuracy, no issues, reliable so far, 2000 rounds or so between both.
: Norc toks x2: poopy finish on one, excellent finish on other, no issues, reliable so far, 500-800 rounds or so.
: Norc 1911's x2, one 9mm, one 45acp : fair finish on one, excellent on the 9mm. No issues, reliable so far, 300-500 rounds or so.
: Norc m93, .22lr: good finish, excellent accuracy, eats anything .22lr I've fed it. No issues, reliable so far, 1200 rounds or so.
: Norc mauser trainer: good finish, soft wood, excellent accuracy, better than all my .22lr, no issues, reliable so far, 700 rounds or so.
: Dominion arms mag fed 12ga: good finish, solid build, no issues, reliable so far...
: Norc 870 clone: Good finish, solid build, not as smooth as my Remington, but no issues, reliable so far
: Type 97 nsr: good finish, excellent accuracy, better than all my 5.56mm guns, except HK sl8, no issues, reliable so far...
Yeah, Chinese guns suck.
I have dozens of other guns. I find the fit and finish is better on some (but not all) than the Chinese, but they are very functional.
Yes, I agree the quality control is erratic, but the same is true with : Ruger, Savage, Keltech, Remington, Mossberg, Browning, fill in the blank. To be more competitive, all these companies are cutting corners at times, and sometimes it shows. Truth is, many firearms companies have become complacent with pleasing the consumer's bank account, choosing to use marketing to convince the masses that their product is in a category of it's own, and thus, it's price is justified. Save the marketing, show me the money, and the performance, and I'll be interested. Show me service and reliability, and you'll have me for life. In Norinco's case, in my humble experience, one out of two isn't too bad, and I didn't eat Kraft dinner for months to buy them.
: m305: excellent, no issues, accurate, reliable so far, 500-600 rounds.
: Cqa 5.56mm rifle: excellent, no issues, reliable so far 1000 rounds or so.
: Cq311: poopy finish, excellent accuracy with 55 grain, reliable so far, 1500 rounds or so.
: Chicom sks x2: sks accuracy, no issues, reliable so far, 2000 rounds or so between both.
: Norc toks x2: poopy finish on one, excellent finish on other, no issues, reliable so far, 500-800 rounds or so.
: Norc 1911's x2, one 9mm, one 45acp : fair finish on one, excellent on the 9mm. No issues, reliable so far, 300-500 rounds or so.
: Norc m93, .22lr: good finish, excellent accuracy, eats anything .22lr I've fed it. No issues, reliable so far, 1200 rounds or so.
: Norc mauser trainer: good finish, soft wood, excellent accuracy, better than all my .22lr, no issues, reliable so far, 700 rounds or so.
: Dominion arms mag fed 12ga: good finish, solid build, no issues, reliable so far...
: Norc 870 clone: Good finish, solid build, not as smooth as my Remington, but no issues, reliable so far
: Type 97 nsr: good finish, excellent accuracy, better than all my 5.56mm guns, except HK sl8, no issues, reliable so far...
Yeah, Chinese guns suck.
I have dozens of other guns. I find the fit and finish is better on some (but not all) than the Chinese, but they are very functional.
Yes, I agree the quality control is erratic, but the same is true with : Ruger, Savage, Keltech, Remington, Mossberg, Browning, fill in the blank. To be more competitive, all these companies are cutting corners at times, and sometimes it shows. Truth is, many firearms companies have become complacent with pleasing the consumer's bank account, choosing to use marketing to convince the masses that their product is in a category of it's own, and thus, it's price is justified. Save the marketing, show me the money, and the performance, and I'll be interested. Show me service and reliability, and you'll have me for life. In Norinco's case, in my humble experience, one out of two isn't too bad, and I didn't eat Kraft dinner for months to buy them.
I've got one, and while the round count is fairly limited so far at around 500 rounds, the rifle has fired without a bauble, the sights, while a bit crude compared to AR-15 style aperture sights, work well enough for a military semi out to 300 or so yards before the short sight radius starts becoming a real issue for me.
Trigger is acceptable for an infantry rifle, mushy take up, but breaks repeatably and crisply enough.
The Tavor has a few slight ergonomic advantages that give it the edge in speed of manipulating the rifles controls, but not a massive difference in time, fractions of a second here and there provided you know your rifle well. I will say the mag release is in a dumb spot on the T97, but with a few dozen practice mag changes, you can do it in a similar time to a rock and lock style system.
I own both rifles, and honestly, I prefer the T-97 to the Tavor, one of the big contributing factors is that the T-97 is a really nice gun to shoot, and the Tavor is a bit of a #### and farts hot gas in your eyeball every time you squeeze the trigger, but other than that, the price is right, quality of build is surprisingly great considering the end user price, and it just has a lot less fat and bulk on it than the Tavor.
T97 all the way. Great little rifle.
Trigger is acceptable for an infantry rifle, mushy take up, but breaks repeatably and crisply enough.
The Tavor has a few slight ergonomic advantages that give it the edge in speed of manipulating the rifles controls, but not a massive difference in time, fractions of a second here and there provided you know your rifle well. I will say the mag release is in a dumb spot on the T97, but with a few dozen practice mag changes, you can do it in a similar time to a rock and lock style system.
I own both rifles, and honestly, I prefer the T-97 to the Tavor, one of the big contributing factors is that the T-97 is a really nice gun to shoot, and the Tavor is a bit of a #### and farts hot gas in your eyeball every time you squeeze the trigger, but other than that, the price is right, quality of build is surprisingly great considering the end user price, and it just has a lot less fat and bulk on it than the Tavor.
T97 all the way. Great little rifle.
X2 that is a great review. I have Norcs S&W CZ They all have there issues. But if it wasn't Norcs Hi-Point and Keltec some of the average working man with kids ,mortgage payments trying to get buy. Lets get more people shooting, Our goverment when they come to reclassify everything. They don't give a #### whether or not it's a Norc or a high end AR rifle. There going to grab it. Support your gun people and get them buying restricted and non. Get more people shooting. You can beat up Norcs but if that is what a guy can afford, Go for it Enjoy the world of guns while we can just my x2cents
Interesting comment about the bulk of the Tavor, since the Micro Tavor (MTAR-21) has been selected as the replacement for the Tavor (TAR-21) in the Israel Defence Forces.
I have had both guns and can agree that the T97 is the slimmer brother. Much less bulk.
I think so too. I don't own a tavor, but my brother, and a buddy do. The Tavor and FS2000 seem unnecessarily fat. I wouldn't kick either one out of bed though, lol.
No it doesn't tell me everything. It tells me that you personally liked the Tavor. Kevin M has a massive collection and has shot plenty of guns, if anything his opinion tells me more. Just my opinion though.
I was unsure about the Tavor or T97 . in the end I was offered a deal I couldn't refuse & bought both . Just like having kids , they are different & I still can't decide which one I like better . I have pre ordered the FTU for the T97 & after getting & installing it , I think it will make the T97 look more appealing . With M14.ca already working on making a more ergo lower , I think it will make the T97 a home run(in reagards for best bang for the buck ! pin intended )
I can't say that I never will, but it is very far down on the list. I will own a Tavor this year probably though as long as the RCMP don't take it away from us and with the new Timney trigger release that will make it pretty much perfect. I would probably pick up a used t97 if they were in the 5-600$ range, I feel thats where their price should lay.
Well, I am an owner now. My wife and children pooled their money and got me one for Christmas. Totally surprised the poo outta me. The weight of the rifle was surprising, but it seems well balanced and it feels like I can have it shouldered for hours on end without fatiguing. The safety and the mag release are ridiculously stupid, but not unmanageable, and I will likely adapt to it easily. So far (haven't fired a shot yet), I haven't noticed any issues. It seems put together well. I pulled the entire thing apart (as much as I could have) and there was no barrel gouge that I could see. I have tried a PMAG Gen 3, the factory mag, and a C-Products Defense mag. They all fit, and all drop free(ish). The C-Products and the PMAG drop better than what came from the factory. I have also tried the Beowulf mag that can not be named, and it fits in the magwell with a little effort. The two I tried will not drop free though and requires some finessing to remove. No hammer needed though. All in all I'm happy with it. I will strip it again this evening and give it a thorough cleaning before taking it out on Sunday to fire for the first time! Super excited, and I'm still in shock the family was able get it without my knowledge.
