Pamela Anderson make offer to Canadian Sealer’s Association
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Cover yourself in enough estrous Doe piss in the middle of the rut and you may just get that chance, as long as you can swing backwards
No thanks, I will stick to the Bullet in the Boiler Room method...
That's fine too, though if you want to be able to carry on any sort of conversation here (it is a discussion forum, after all), being willing to educate yourself about what actually happens at the seal hunt instead of gobbling up and regurgitating PETA manifesto would probably be of assistance.
Because the rifle shots are typically taken from a boat, at a distance, and you can kill many more seals in a short period of time than having to walk up and club each one. The circumstances may dictate the method, and as I said, using a rifle is more common than the hakapik these days. The advantage of the hakapik is one less hole in the pelt to degrade its value.
The fact that you're not talking from any sort of experience is showing again. Contrary to your belief, most wild game doesn't just stand there while you walk up and place the muzzle against its temple.
Finally, an answer to my question. So, please explain how this is more humane, or in your words, "less barbaric", than crushing an animal's skull, physically ensuring it has been crushed, cutting its main arteries and then waiting for it to bleed out, without ever having removed the animal from its natural environment??
My point is obvious. Unless you've never owned or used a piece of leather, which I simply do not believe, or do not source your leather from the same local, "humane" supplier, you are a hypocrite. Plain and simple.
Its because your opinion is based on nonsense. If you refuse to be educated about it, stick your fingers in your ears and go 'blah, blah, blah', that's fine too. But don't be surprised when I lump you in with Pamela and Sam. They have the same philosophy.
I judge you simply on your words here. That's been quite sufficient to categorize you.
I am more than willing to apologize to you, AndrewNS, and to other CGNers reading the thread, if I have been unnecessarily abrasive in this debate with you. You can probably tell that the topic is a sensitive one, and its maddening when people who haven't the first clue about the seal hunt, throw out loaded terms like "barbaric" and (perhaps unwittingly) take up a cross for PETA, IFAW, etc. Those people actually have less interest in the well-being of seals than the fine people involved in the hunt, which is both ironic and sad.
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I think Natural Boutique on Water Street, St. John's, has a line on meat. The oil (and the meat too, for that matter) is pretty strong, so I am not sure it would make for great cooking. But I'm no chef. The Canadian Sealers Association would have a lot more info.
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The Newfs should have offered the Bimbo 165.00 for her so called acting career.
I have done maintainence work in plants that use this method and it is not 100 percent effective. They station a man at the end of the kill line to (trumpet noise) CRUSH THE SKULL OF ANY ANIMAL THAT IS STILL ALIVE. Why? Because it is 100 percent effective in rendering the animal both unconcious and quickly dead. The old method was to hit them between the eyes with a large sledgehammer. The only reason they stopped using it was because it was too graphic for animal rights activists to believe it could be humane. Don't fool yourself into believing it's all neat and tidy just because it's gone high tech.
In an attempt to turn this debate into education, I am only going to reply to these few items... I really don't want to argue with you, but I am always willing to be educated.
I am always more than happy to be educated on any topic, but your approach felt more like a "you're wrong and I'm right" than a "you're wrong and this is why".
We are not talking about most wild game, just seals. My understanding about the way that seals are killed with the hakapik is the sealers walk up to them and hit them. Is the same not possible with a gun?
In this instance, we are talking about the way that cattle are killed, not seals. My feeling about why this is more humane than other ways that cattle are killed is outlined below.
No apology necessary, I can certainly understand a topic being a sensitive one. I simply wanted to take a step back from it and slow things down before either of us got into something that we would get infractions for.
At the end of any kill line, the animal dies... It's never a simple, painless experience. The parts of the large slaughter plants that are the worst for the animals, in my opinion, is what they are submitted to leading up to their death. They are packed into trailers so tight that they can hardly move, trucked for long distances often resulting in injury, suffering and even death. I feel that it is a more humaine method where I go simply because up to the point that the animals are killed, they are not submitted to situations where there is the posibility of injury, pain and suffering.
I'm not nieve enough to believe that the animals are killed with rainbows and butterflies, but when something has to die every animal should be treated with a little bit of respect and not made to face additional un-necessary suffering.
As CV32 said, thank you for your insight.
I am always more than happy to be educated on any topic, but your approach felt more like a "you're wrong and I'm right" than a "you're wrong and this is why".
The fact that you're not talking from any sort of experience is showing again. Contrary to your belief, most wild game doesn't just stand there while you walk up and place the muzzle against its temple.
We are not talking about most wild game, just seals. My understanding about the way that seals are killed with the hakapik is the sealers walk up to them and hit them. Is the same not possible with a gun?
In this instance, we are talking about the way that cattle are killed, not seals. My feeling about why this is more humane than other ways that cattle are killed is outlined below.
No apology necessary, I can certainly understand a topic being a sensitive one. I simply wanted to take a step back from it and slow things down before either of us got into something that we would get infractions for.
At the end of any kill line, the animal dies... It's never a simple, painless experience. The parts of the large slaughter plants that are the worst for the animals, in my opinion, is what they are submitted to leading up to their death. They are packed into trailers so tight that they can hardly move, trucked for long distances often resulting in injury, suffering and even death. I feel that it is a more humaine method where I go simply because up to the point that the animals are killed, they are not submitted to situations where there is the posibility of injury, pain and suffering.
I'm not nieve enough to believe that the animals are killed with rainbows and butterflies, but when something has to die every animal should be treated with a little bit of respect and not made to face additional un-necessary suffering.
As CV32 said, thank you for your insight.
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Cover yourself in enough estrous Doe piss in the middle of the rut and you may just get that chance, as long as you can swing backwards
I can understand that, and that's why I began with a link to the Canadian Veterinary Journal report on that topic. I would have thought that independent, expert commentary would have been enough to dissuade anyone who thought the clubbing was "barbaric", or at least give them second thoughts. But you persisted in your position, in spite of it.
To be fair, we did talk about hunting too. Which is, obviously, much more than just seals. And I'm gathering that you don't think hunting is barbaric?
It certainly is, but it defeats the purpose. As I said, the rifle is efficient because you can kill many more seals from a distance. If you're going to walk up to each individual animal, you might as well club it, save the cost of the bullets and forestall any damage to the pelt.
I try to avoid attacking the person, but I will unabashedly attack an argument or position that I believe to be wrong or based on false information. Particularly if its an issue in which I have personal interest. And I haven't had a single infraction yet.
The seal isn't captured, packed into a crate, shipped off to an industrial facility somewhere, pumped full of drugs or force fed while it awaits death. It is killed right there, on the ocean where it has lived its entire life, quickly and efficiently. So I cannot for the life of me understand why you think its barbaric.
I understand the reservations over large meat plants. If you're really interested in the health and welfare of your meat, I'd suggest doing it on the farm yourself (not being an ass, serious suggestion). I was wrapping meat from the time I was four (official packing tape wrangler) and the family continues to slaughter and butcher the majority of it's meat products at home. The animal is shot through the head at close range and has it's throat cut immediately. Never sees the inside of a truck or a loading chute.
In all fairness, I missed that link and never opened it. My apologies.
I suppose that we should have stayed more on topic of sealing and not other hunting. And no, I don't think that hunting is barbaric.
I can see that perspective, and I agree with it. My point is that maybe with a gun the "image" of the hunt would be a little better. Your points of the hakapik being an efficient, and humane killing method are true, no doubt, but the people who are not interested in hearing why it is may stop having so much to say about the seal hunt if it was carried out the same way as other game hunting, with a gun. And yes, I know that they should be willing to listen, but some people aren't.
I wasn't refering to seal hunting with that scenario, I was refering to cattle processing facilities. Once again, I guess we should have stayed more on topic with sealing and not other forms of hunting / meat processing...
I completely agree that the most humane way for the seals to die is on the ice, without being submitted to any un-necessary suffering.
If I had animals on my property that I raised my self, I would give them names and start to treat them like pets... I would then never be able to kill them.
I agree. Hunt them the same way other animals are hunted. one shot, one kill. clubbing an animal to death is neither fun nor efficient. And I cant imagine the flood of stress hormones being injected into the meat by the dying seal makes it taste good enough to eat.
Ohhhh, you should have read all the way through the thread before saying that... Here we go again...
When I was little we went with my Grandfather to buy pigs, there were two runts in the litter that the pig farmer was going to do away with but me and me brother took them home instead. We raised them, named them, treated them as pets and they turned out bigger then the ones my grandfather had bought. I think it was the love that made them grow and taste better to.
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