Bubba'ing milsurps - My head is spinning

Here's the key to this debate.

No one is stopping anyone from doing anything they want to their property. Do whatever you want with it.
But as you say the vets also gave the op the right to ##### about it. Lol
No one has to like it.
 
I don't care what other people do with their own property...it is after all a basic right that our forefathers, mothers, cousins and friends fought...and died horribly for.

We give that up, then we give every human right away.

What I would like is some mechanism to be able to have a friendly exchange of arms that would put the firearms some us find so historically important into the hands of those that truly appreciate them, and in return, trade back an equally valuable firearms that no one would mind being drilled, tapped, re-parked, trigger jobs and giant banana mags etc.

everyone wins

am I crazy ?
 
Yes and no. I believe the soldiers who carried them had they right because they earned that freedom through their own sacrifice and through the acknowledgement of their sacrifice it is our duty to preserve their history. I think those who now butcher that history have the least respect for it or even indifference or they would hold these pieces on higher regard than as just wood and metal.

Whether it be web gear, small arms, helmets, medals, or history books the truth is that we all owe those people more than any of us can give them. We cannot give them their lives, their friends lives or lost years back. We can't take their pain and torment away. All we can do is keep the promise never to forget all that they have done for us and not take what they earned and preserved for us for granted.

We owe it to them to do whatever we can to make sure there are objects around that we can share with future generations that can help to put their sacrifice into perspective. It's very hard to try to imagine what they went through. I could not imagine losing four or five or a dozen of my closest friends(and really the only people who matter to me as I've been gone from home by now for a year or two) in the most painful way possible in a single day or week or even over the course of a year in combat. Add in the fact that you are insanely tired and never get to sleep and when you do it's in a cold dirty and often wet hole in the ground, hardly ever get a decent warm meal, and are constantly harassed by loud noises, shelling, strafing etc. There is just no way any of us who haven't made that sacrifice can ever know.

It's honestly my opinion that a LOT of people take a lot of things in life for granted and feel like something is owed to them. Yes you have the right to choose, but the means with which we were given that right means that we have an obligation to remember, preserve and never repeat the history that they symbolize. The men and women who sacrificed so much are leaving this world more and more every day and it's now our turn to do our part. These rifles, if taken care of, will still be a reminder of that sacrifice generations down the line. If treated as wood and steel, or our 'property', they will also be lost to time.
 
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@ flying pig

love what you wrote, nicely said....but please, re-edit with a few paragraphs...that is a giant wall of text that many will instantly skip.....and what a waste, cause you really do have something worthwhile reading there.
 
When I was young there was this one man that I worshiped as a god, my mothers father. A big nosed olive skinned halfbreed. skinny and tall, lanky and all crinkly like. One morning when I was about 9 (or there about) he took me out to the old pits on the back end of our farm. They had strip-mined coal there during "The Great War".

We drove there in the old Flathead dodge pickup with the dump box. When we were arranged at a site he seemed well aware of (it had a pick nick table and some strange shaped benches.) He went back to the truck and brought back an old wooden butter box, from this box he brought out a huge pistol and set it on the pick nick table next to me. Then he told me a story...

About a young RCMP officer who who quit the force to join the armed forces. He told me that war had been declared and that his country needed him too. He explained what the pistol was and some of it's history- he then pulled some cartridges out of the box, loaded the gun, and gave me a safety lesson I will never forget. We spent the afternoon shooting the thing. I never saw that gun again, but a short time latter my grandmother gave me a .22 cooey single shot rifle.

It was nearly as tall as I. She told me that it was mine, grandad showed me how to care for it then they gave me a box of shells. Grandad told me that he would give me a nickle for every ground hog tail I brought back to him. I was so very proud because all my brothers and male cousins had one and I finally had one. Granny said that girls too could fight for their country and that it was not right that I be ignored in this honer.

I guess some people just don't get it.
Well that is their loss, for there is a deep sense of belonging involved in a tradition of this nature. To be trusted and respected by your elders. And handed such a vast responsibility.
janice
 
flying pig said:
Vermintrex, sorry about that. I did my best to split it up just now. Don't remember much from English class!
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haha...no worries...much better, and now your thoughtful comments will be read....and hopefully strike a chord.

well said...I'm with you every step of the way brother.
 
no one can stop bubba doing what they wish with their property but resale of that gun would be less then surplus price to me(id go with a 25% rule) adding a plastic stock dose not mean its worth more. biggest thing for me is there is tons of bubbaed guns that sell for cheap yet people still chop away.
 
The wood and iron means nothing the men and women who carried them into the history books are worth remembering. IMHO there is no difference between remington made 1911 property of the us government and my norc 1911 other then the country it was made in (and quality lol) but at the end of the day it's just a fireArm that fires a certain round
 
Expendable Nate said:
The wood and iron means nothing the men and women who carried them into the history books are worth remembering. IMHO there is no difference between remington made 1911 property of the us government and my norc 1911 other then the country it was made in (and quality lol) but at the end of the day it's just a fireArm that fires a certain round
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Really? You don't see the historical difference between the two? Going by your logic we might as well bulldoze all the museums.

Preserving and respecting milsurps is a way of remembering the men and women that carried them.

I hope you're joking.
 
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jbmauser said:
Really? You don't see the historical difference between the two? Going by your logic we might as well bulldoze all the museums. Preserving and respecting milsurps is part of remembering the men and women that carried them.

I hope you're joking.
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When the power goes out, the museums, along with the stores and banks are usually the first thing pillaged.
Check yer history folks...nothing lasts forever....especially human made objects.

Enjoy collecting and shooting while ya still can, cause it's getting ugly out there.:(
 
jbmauser said:
Really? You don't see the historical difference between the two? Going by your logic we might as well bulldoze all the museums.

Preserving and respecting milsurps is a way of remembering the men and women that carried them.

I hope you're joking.
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Not at all I hardly think he lav I rode in or the c-7 I carried in the sand box will have any historical value. By your logic
The model wire cutters Coulson Norman Mitchell carried to cut demo wires are of epic value or maybe even his spoon
 
Expendable Nate said:
Not at all I hardly think he lav I rode in or the c-7 I carried in the sand box will have any historical value. By your logic
The model wire cutters Coulson Norman Mitchell carried to cut demo wires are of epic value or maybe even his spoon
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Wow, welcome to the forum.

Your c7 isnt collectible because its modern plastic ####. and I own an AR and i still say that. And theres still guys who collect them lol.

And your sand box combat was a minor skirmish by ww2 standards.

And the lav is collectible, just the US wont let anyone own them........
 
there is no difference between remington made 1911 property of the us government and my norc 1911

You never go full retard
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You never go full retard.
Check and mate good sir!!
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you boys fight nicely...gran always said... and then slapped us on the back of the head
 
I dunno...to me, it's often the relationship between "rights" and "respect" - you have the right to do what you want with your property, and most hope that you respect the history inherent to that property.
 
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