7 x 57 Brno

[9.3mauser]

If I were to keep both of them would it be silly to put an upgraded optic with some magnification on one of them, so I could have some fun taking some longer shots. Or am I missing the point?

If you were to upgrade optics, I would look at replacing the rings as well; that way it would be easy to return the rifle to it's original condition if you ever wanted to sell it. Those old German scopes that are on there now are likely an odd size, so the rings wouldn't fit a 1" diameter scope in any case.

As far as magnification goes, I run a fixed 4x on my 7x57, but really, you can put whatever you want on it as long as the rings fit.

 

[Mike Webb]

I love the old Brnos and have owned several: 1 half stock carbine 8mm, 1 full stock carbine 8mm,1 half stock rifle 8mm and a half stock rifle in 7x57. Double set triggers have a very European look but to my mind they don't belong on a hunting rifle. Two of my Brnos had factory double sets and the unset pull was over 10 lbs. on both. I had them to a good gunsmith and he didn't feel there was much he could do with them. But they are beautiful rifles as good as anything turned out in Europe at any time.

 

[jbmauser]

I had an original ZG-47 scope mount on one of the ones I used to own and it was made for a standard 1" tube. You may be able to use the original mount if you decide to put on some new scopes.

 

[farshot]

Those Meopta scopes and original mounts may be tricky to use on another scope. The upper rifle looks like it has a different set of rings that MAY be usable for another scope (they have screws that separate the rings). The lower one would involve disassembly of the Meopta scope to change the scope out - then the new scope would need to be a straight tube to slide into the rings.

Those scopes have some elevation adjustment only - the windage is in the mounts.


You would be better off getting Warne, CZ, leupold etc rings that are made for the 19 mm dovetail and just change it out completely.

You are correct in that the Meopta scopes were low power and not gas filled. Nice, but not state of the art. I like them.

 

[nothere]

Use Leupold QR rings, the stud is the same diameter and can be ground back a tad to fit depth, drill and run a 6mm tap through the stud and add a 6mm high tensile dome head bolt, the rings come in 30mm and 1".

Or conversely just purchase some AlaskaArms mounts and be done with it.

 

[John303]

I have been trying to find a catalogue / a reference on these Brno rifles especially the 21 & 22 series.
I believe the following but may be in error. The 21 series were small ring round receivers, the options were
-short carbine / long rifle barrel, DSTs / single trigger, butterknife / round bolt handle, in 2 stock lengths H for
half stock & F / M as in full stock as in mannlicher. The F stock may / may not have been available on the rifle
perhaps someone out there knows. The calibers were 6.5, 7 & 8x57, I've never found reference to another calibre
from the factory that is. I think you could order claw mounts and scope to match, both series also have iron sights.
The 22 series came with basically all the above options except had two square bridges (integral mounts) sans claw mounts.
This series came about in around 1950ish, my 7x57, 22H. is dated 1954. Have most of the parts for an 8x57 22H, doubt I'll ever
find a 6.5 at any reasonable price, if at all.
FWIW just my take on the number & letter question. --- John

 

[nothere]

6.5x57, 7x57, 8x57, 8x60, 7x64, and have been told of 5.6x57 but have not seen to verify.

Both had round receiver till 1949 when the dovetails were introduced, 21=half stock, 22=full stock, finished production in 1956 when the last of them had the round bolt handle from the ZG47 rifle as the factory ran out of spoon bolt handles.

But nothing is set in concrete with Brno.

ps, also came with short 20.5" barrel or long 24", and very earliest did not have guide rib on bolt body.

 

[sillymofo]

Thanks for the info everybody. Those are some nice looking riffles you have. I am reading and learning as much as I can about all the info you guys listed.
ANother silly newbie question since I am new..... what kind of typical range do these rifles have? grouping size at a yardage?
I may sell the shorter barrelled one, but am still in the decision process.
Merry X-mas and Happy Holidays.

 

[jbmauser]

Thanks for the info everybody. Those are some nice looking riffles you have. I am reading and learning as much as I can about all the info you guys listed.
ANother silly newbie question since I am new..... what kind of typical range do these rifles have? grouping size at a yardage?
I may sell the shorter barrelled one, but am still in the decision process.
Merry X-mas and Happy Holidays.

Accuracy is going to vary from rifle to rifle but these were made with high quality components and workmanship and typically will shoot moa or close to it with proper loads. Plenty accurate enough for most any big game hunting in my opinion.

 

[Gunslinger]

Thanks for the info everybody. Those are some nice looking riffles you have. I am reading and learning as much as I can about all the info you guys listed.
ANother silly newbie question since I am new..... what kind of typical range do these rifles have? grouping size at a yardage?
I may sell the shorter barrelled one, but am still in the decision process.
Merry X-mas and Happy Holidays.

DO NOT sell either of your rifles! Apart from the fact they're one of the best rifles out there they're also family heirlooms to be cherished. You sound like a younger guy, and don't take that as patronizing, but one day you'll better appreciate them for their value both in terms of quality and family history. Yes you could make some nice cash selling one and put it towards a new black gun but you'll never be able to replace their sentimental value. It costs you nothing but space to keep them, clean them, wrap them up and stash them away for the day you have a son, then you can both go out and enjoy some family history. Also, while the 7x57 isn't new and ###y it's still one of the best cartridges out there and will do everything you ask of it and more. I'm lucky to have found a 21H (7x57) and ZG47 (9.3x62) that I'll never part with, they're absolutely two of the nicest rifles out there,

 

[sillymofo]

Gunslinger, thank you for the advice. Your right, I will not be able to replace either of them, and I don't need the money. LOL. I am not that young, 36, At at any age it never hurts to listen to the advice of others. I get excited some times. We all have our moments. I am going to keep both of them. It how I remember the grand parents.

 

[sillymofo]

DO NOT sell either of your rifles! Apart from the fact they're one of the best rifles out there they're also family heirlooms to be cherished. You sound like a younger guy, and don't take that as patronizing, but one day you'll better appreciate them for their value both in terms of quality and family history. Yes you could make some nice cash selling one and put it towards a new black gun but you'll never be able to replace their sentimental value. It costs you nothing but space to keep them, clean them, wrap them up and stash them away for the day you have a son, then you can both go out and enjoy some family history. Also, while the 7x57 isn't new and ###y it's still one of the best cartridges out there and will do everything you ask of it and more. I'm lucky to have found a 21H (7x57) and ZG47 (9.3x62) that I'll never part with, they're absolutely two of the nicest rifles out there,

Gunslinger, thank you for the advice. Your right, I will not be able to replace either of them, and I don't need the money. LOL. I am not that young, 36, And at any age it never hurts to listen to the advice of others. I get excited sometimes. We all have our moments. I am going to keep both of them. It's how I remember the grand parents.