Swiss arms classic green restricted?

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Steve Janes said:
RCMP are full of it. Merry Christmas, Swiss Rifles aren't being reclassified, if they were, then it would have happened by now, remember the RCMP gave a deadline for information that was over 6 months ago, and still nothing.
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The deadline was for the manufacturer and the importer to provide proof these were not variants of the 550. That has nothing to do with a timeline to actually make a decision. They can take 5 years to decide if they want.
Until something official is released it's just wishful thinking on your part.
 
Matty308 said:
Sad to say, but we as gun owners have become scared sheeple too. I guarantee you 98% of people would go turn in their 3000$ rifle without compensation if faced with turning into a "paper criminal".
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I don't think you should be bashing people and it doesn't make them sheeple to follow the law to remain law abiding gun owners. If you think it's ok to make yourself a criminal and be another one of the people who give the firearms community a black eye when you get caught with one if they do get reclassified then that's your choice but I for one have too much money invested in my firearms to risk losing them all and I like the idea of still having the freedom to use other rifles they haven't gotten around to taking away from us.
I do agree we should fight this but not if it means becoming a criminal to do it.
 
I don't think they'll make a decision. I think they're hoping for a liberal, ndp or coalition government to do a sweeping ban on semis after the next election. It'll be their wet dream come true. The politicians will shoulder the blame while the RCMP brass will continue to suggest "common sense gun control in the interest of public safety".
 
cr5 said:
Ever heard that ignorance is no excuse for the law. If they do get reclassified then simply saying you didn't know won't get you out of trouble. You would be charged with possession of a prohibited firearm.
I think they would have to send out a letter to everyone with a valid PAL and give a reasonable amount of time but it wouldn't be that difficult for them to do.
And why the heck would you want another prohib class? You like the idea of having a $3000 rifle you can't ever legally shoot again? Nice wall hanger though.
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I actually don't own one currently, so I'm not really worried about the potential for trouble. And yes, if I owned one I would rather keep it and not have it melted down even if that meant I couldn't shoot it but that's just me. You seem to have a thing for $3000 manhole covers though, so to each their own...
 
smak_daddy said:
You mean like this? :)

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That rifle looks like a dogs a$$hole! :D
I joke, beautiful combination of rifle/lower/stock/rail. Basically my dream rifle.
You got the nuts of a bulldog smak daddy, taking into that rifle with a custom paint job like you did. Turned out great!
 
merc said:
I actually don't own one currently, so I'm not really worried about the potential for trouble. And yes, if I owned one I would rather keep it and not have it melted down even if that meant I couldn't shoot it but that's just me. You seem to have a thing for $3000 manhole covers though, so to each their own...
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I don't own one anymore but I still don't want to see these reclassified. If they get away with this it's only a matter of time till they pick another to take away.
It's just a shame they don't actually get off their ass and maybe focus on criminals instead of bothering us.
 
Brian46 said:
with non acurrate information an where they actually are they are going to have to come up with a new method to make sure they get them all and quickly.
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They don't need to worry about that at all. If they make them prohib there will be a grace period for owners to turn them in then after that anyone caught with one will be charged with possession of a prohibited firearm and faces the accompanying criminal charges.
It would be easy for them to simply write a letter and mail it to every person with a valid PAL stating the classification change and then no one could claim they didn't know. Plus, not knowing wouldn't get you out of trouble anyway. The law is the law whether you know about it or agree with it or not.
 
cr5 said:
They don't need to worry about that at all. If they make them prohib there will be a grace period for owners to turn them in then after that anyone caught with one will be charged with possession of a prohibited firearm and faces the accompanying criminal charges.
It would be easy for them to simply write a letter and mail it to every person with a valid PAL stating the classification change and then no one could claim they didn't know. Plus, not knowing wouldn't get you out of trouble anyway. The law is the law whether you know about it or agree with it or not.
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they would have to prove service of that letter for them to make a case saying you knew of the status change.
 
cr5 said:
I don't own one anymore but I still don't want to see these reclassified. If they get away with this it's only a matter of time till they pick another to take away.
It's just a shame they don't actually get off their ass and maybe focus on criminals instead of bothering us.
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yes, rather than trying to prohibit and collect legal guns, why is the RCMP firearms lab not figuring out a way to collect all the illegal weapons in the country in criminals hands first
 
Brian46 said:
yes, rather than trying to prohibit and collect legal guns, why is the RCMP firearms lab not figuring out a way to collect all the illegal weapons in the country in criminals hands first
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Because ours are much easier to get. Most of us will go turn ours in like good little sheep if they prohibit them, criminals don's listen :(
 
When the criminals are the only ones that have guns and are police force stops carrying like they have in brittan what are they gonna do, cry?
 
It's not that simple, imagine the PR nightmares if they don't play this right, they are not stupid. If this was as easy as sending out letters they would have done it already, we all know what a swiss arms is based on and they know it too, there are nothing to deliberate, only the choices of ban and to confiscate, ban and not to confiscate.

The alberta gun grabs did not do them any favor, for them to make any decisions at current time would be stupid.
Seeing no one is able to get their hands on a new swissarms rifle, they have effectively baned all new imports and sales, maybe they'll see that as a victory and not to proceed further, or maybe not, we'll just have to wait and see, my bet is that they are not going to do anything after the election, stepping on anyone's political toes right now would not make any sense for them.


cr5 said:
They don't need to worry about that at all. If they make them prohib there will be a grace period for owners to turn them in then after that anyone caught with one will be charged with possession of a prohibited firearm and faces the accompanying criminal charges.
It would be easy for them to simply write a letter and mail it to every person with a valid PAL stating the classification change and then no one could claim they didn't know. Plus, not knowing wouldn't get you out of trouble anyway. The law is the law whether you know about it or agree with it or not.
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Familygunnutz said:
It's not that simple, imagine the PR nightmares if they don't play this right, they are not stupid. If this was as easy as sending out letters they would have done it already, we all know what a swiss arms is based on and they know it too, there are nothing to deliberate, only the choices of ban and to confiscate, ban and not to confiscate.

The alberta gun grabs did not do them any favor, for them to make any decisions at current time would be stupid.
Seeing no one is able to get their hands on a new swissarms rifle, they have effectively baned all new imports and sales, maybe they'll see that as a victory and not to proceed further, or maybe not, we'll just have to wait and see, my bet is that they are not going to do anything after the election, stepping on anyone's political toes right now would not make any sense for them.
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The Swiss arms are based on the 540. There is plenty of documentation supporting that sent by SAN, the ones who designed and produced the 540 & 550 rifles. How the idiots at the RCMP can argue with the creator of a product on what they based the design on is beyond me.
 
Ok, well getting back on subject:

FRT # 129006 Swiss Arms Black Special Carbine - RESTRICTED
FRT # 119587 Swiss Arms Black Special - NON RESTRICTED
FRT # 119482 Swiss Arms Classic Green - NON RESTRICTED
FRT # 124216 Swiss Arms Classic Green Carbine - RESTRICTED
FRT # 124218 Swiss Arms Classic Green CQB - RESTRICTED
FRT # 119588 Swiss Arms Heavy Metal - NON RESTRICTED
FRT # 119485 Swiss Arms Red Devil - NON RESTRICTED
FRT # 119484 Swiss Arms Blue Star - NON RESTRICTED

Great rifles - but these are not PE90's, nor are they part of the 55x family.

They are similar to the 55x family as far as the:

Same Bolt, Bolt carrier, Barrel, Gas System, and Furniture - ergo the manuals enclosed are the same as the 55x family.

But the receiver is different - it is made over a slightly different mandril (think 'shaping tool' - much a like a shoe cobbler's foot form).
The mandril used is the last version of the SG540 created by SIG (now Swiss Arms) - I mention this because most people think of the Famae version of the 540 and think that our SANS rifles look nothing like them - and they don't. The Chilean Famae was an early version of the 540 licensed out - our Swiss Arms use the final version of that development process.

So what's the difference?

Admittedly not a lot, as the final version of the SIG 540 was almost identical to the 55x family - with the following exceptions:

1. Our Swiss Arms rifles here in Canada have a block of metal laser welded into the inside of the lower receiver to prevent the f/a trigger group from being installed - attempting to remove this block would ruin / warp the receiver. The PE90 only has a 'finger' tacked into it - so it can be removed in times of national crises and made f/a.

2. Due to the different mandril used - the tolerances are slightly different, there are a couple channels missing in the upper receiver, and there is a little bit of machining omitted on the bolt.

The best way to think of our Swiss Arms is this way - a uniquely Canadian rifle made in Switzerland.

Our Swiss Arms are 95% 55x family, and 5% SIG 540 - just enough to get it into Canada.

NOTE: THE CANADIAN SWISS ARMS POSSESSES THE SAME ACCURACY / PERFORMANCE AS THE 55X FAMILY - DUE TO THE SAME BOLT AND BARREL USED IN BOTH RIFLES.

Heh, heh - kinda like a Ferrari with Ford floor mats!

"Hope this sheds a little light,

Abby
 
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Throttle_monkey1 said:
The Swiss arms are based on the 540. There is plenty of documentation supporting that sent by SAN, the ones who designed and produced the 540 & 550 rifles. How the idiots at the RCMP can argue with the creator of a product on what they based the design on is beyond me.
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The question isn't what you mentioned, but whether it still fits within the obscure notion of being a "variant".

Abbynormal, thanks for the synopsis. That's basically how I understood it, but I doubt I could have summarized it so well.
 
Throttle_monkey1 said:
The Swiss arms are based on the 540. There is plenty of documentation supporting that sent by SAN, the ones who designed and produced the 540 & 550 rifles. How the idiots at the RCMP can argue with the creator of a product on what they based the design on is beyond me.
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They banned the sig 522 a .22lr rimfire sig556 look a like, just because it looks like a 556.
they need a very little reason to classify anything as prohibited.
Sadly They hold all the power on classifying firearms in this country and they could not care less about what the manufacture have to say.

The only thing they fear is political pressure, or backlash. Nothing else
 
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