Brand new m14....but it's a ticking time bomb waiting to happen (with pics)

Hitzy said:
You are a trooper man....I've had less then that sour me on a type of firearm. I would have been putting that $500 back in my pocket and never looking at another one again...:)
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i'd agree- would RUN, not walk the other way.

i go through phases where i want an m1a, and then think about a norinco... this may have permanently cured me.
 
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nntw said:
i'd agree- would RUN, not walk the other way.

i go through phases where i want an m1a, and then think about a norinco... this may have permanently cured me.
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I love my eye sight and my fingers and hands. I am so glad you posted these pic's. A norc M14 was my first rifle back in 2005, I sold it.. it was flawless. However the OP's pic's have made up my mind that If I ever get the M14 bug again... I will drop good money on the Springfield M1A so I can own a work of art rather then cheap out and own a bastard.
 
While I can't comment too much on the 2012/2013 imports.... Due to only working on less than 20 of these import dates.... I have found some stuff that to me... Shows a downward trend in what is now coming from the m305 stash in china.
I'm not gonna say too much more as I'm not gonna start fear mongering ;)
In my opinion though, the outfits importing these should have a guy with real M1A/M14 experience checking each rifle. I did offer my services a couple years back but didn't get any responses LOL
These days, it pays to be informed, no matter what yer buying.
 
45ACPKING said:
While I can't comment too much on the 2012/2013 imports.... Due to only working on less than 20 of these import dates.... I have found some stuff that to me... Shows a downward trend in what is now coming from the m305 stash in china.
I'm not gonna say too much more as I'm not gonna start fear mongering ;)
In my opinion though, the outfits importing these should have a guy with real M1A/M14 experience checking each rifle. I did offer my services a couple years back but didn't get any responses LOL
These days, it pays to be informed, no matter what yer buying.
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is there a do at home checklist that could be done by a semi-informed customer Thomas? What would you do to these rifles if given the job of inspecting one?

-Check lug contact with a sharpy
-check headspace, shoot 150 rounds, check headspace again, call it good if it hasnt increased twofold?


all I can think of top of my head...

Kinda makes one think though. What would the cost be of a full inspection/sending defective parts back or trashing them. Would that result in a $550-$600 norinco with a quality equal to SAI? some time on m14forum.com has taught me that the SAI rifles are far from perfect anyway though there is that warranty.
 
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Seafury said:
Nobody is proof testing a rifle full of shipping/storage oil. Are they?

Sure glad I don't have the job of proof testing 100 Norinco's in a day. The idea of test firing one is enough to keep me from purchasing.
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LOL! I bought three, one long and one socom for me, then another for a buddy, I tell ya, my two work fine, indexing was a bit off, the op rod came off the bolt once when I cocked it (I think that was my fault) and the sights are garbage on the socom. So, 2/3 , he hasnt shot his yet, but he might not win the lottery :D
 
tiriaq said:
Proof testing with proof loads, or test firing with service loads?
With or without having wiped out the bores?
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They were shooting high powered proof loads after those few cases of barrels flying off the shortys from their first import , im guessing they never wiped the bores out first , i did not see the guy do that ? Also it would have been a good idea turning off the gas system for that high powered loading .
 
45acpking;

They could not pay you enough to head over to mainland Zhina and inspect all the different high school shop classes for quality issues. Besides, I would be worried about the fly fishing in Xhina. You know, water quality and all those issues.

I have not encountered too many of the DA SOCOM rifles at my clinic so I truly don't know much about the latest batches.

Stay safe out there!

Cheers, Barney
 
Iam curious what the actual ratio of good to bad is on these guns. I think in general if you have 100 good guns only 2-3 people will post and say how good the gun is , but if you have a crap one then it likely goes to nearly 100% complaint rate. Just look at all the big name manufacturers like rem and browning so on and so forth. The number of poor quality very well is higher with these imports but by how much. Iam glad that your gun was taken back and a new one issued .sucks to have to clean another but here's hoping this ones a keeper.
 
TacticalTeacher said:
45acpking;

They could not pay you enough to head over to mainland Zhina and inspect all the different high school shop classes for quality issues.
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It would be enough if a dozen or twenty people could be trained simply to spot the commonest problems with these rifles. How hard can it be to simply _look_ at a front sight to see if the barrel is correctly indexed? To see if the magazine latch works without a struggle? To spot a cracked gas tube? I wonder how many people work at actually assembling these rifles, as opposed to manufacturing the various parts. I wonder if any of them know what a quality firearm is like, or ever fired one? I wonder if this is the factor that makes the difference between quality guns and crappy ones? I wonder if I wonder about too many things...
 
cheeseburgereatin said:
the sad part is they probably do not know what a quality firearm looks and feels like because I'm pretty sure gun ownership is illegal in china.
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Actually the total number of firearms in private ownership in China is the third highest in the world after the US and India (1st and 2nd) which is kind of surprising, they do not however allow private ownership of hand guns. The ownership per capita is however a very different matter. What is interesting about firearms ownership is that in many places which we associate very high crime rates the number of firearms privately owned is quite low. What I always find interesting is the attitude to Norinco firearms on this forum compared to say the M14 Forum, in which they seem to be held in a very different regard, for example many regard the Norinco M14 receivers as the closest that can be bought to an original GI M14 receiver, even though they have not been available for eighteen years in the States, since the Clinton era. I also think that many of the members of this forum are totally delusional when it comes to the M1A, in they seem to think that there are never any problems with them. However I would still buy both Norinco and Springfield armory products, irrespective of any problems that I have encountered in the past in owning them.
 
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Need another clinic down here in the Lower Mainland so you can look a few more over!!!!

45ACPKING said:
While I can't comment too much on the 2012/2013 imports.... Due to only working on less than 20 of these import dates.... I have found some stuff that to me... Shows a downward trend in what is now coming from the m305 stash in china.
I'm not gonna say too much more as I'm not gonna start fear mongering ;)
In my opinion though, the outfits importing these should have a guy with real M1A/M14 experience checking each rifle. I did offer my services a couple years back but didn't get any responses LOL
These days, it pays to be informed, no matter what yer buying.
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