FBI replacing .40cal with 9mm?

I think the prudent among us would be wise to follow the sage advice otf those with low post numbers and no trader rating... it screams experience right?

no..no it does not :)

edit: I was rofl at earlier posts.. not so much the latest few
 
skypilot said:
Are we counting the Glock's AD/ND fired rounds in the accuracy count? :stirthepot2:
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It's incredibly disturbing to me that you've seen so many of these. I am not sure which is more disturbing, however: the fact that your agency had so many negligent discharges, or the fact that you seem to think that this was the fault of a bunch of inanimate objects with a single switch on them that determines whether they go bang or not.

I don't know what agency you worked for but I'm under the impression it was in ON.

Consequently I'm extremely glad to be on the west coast of BC, which, without leaving the country, is probably physically as far as I can get from those people and whatever congenital defect left them incapable of operating a machine as simple as a Glock.

In all of the contact I've had with the local municipal forces, including a bunch of fairly complex and demanding training exercises, in which almost everyone was issued a Glock, I have yet to see a single negligent discharge. That's even true with sim guns, during hands-on exercises, during which consequences of an ND are low and probability is high.

I really cannot grasp what was wrong with your agency.
 
bobbynewmark said:
I think the prudent among us would be wise to follow the sage advice otf those with low post numbers and no trader rating... it screams experience right?

no..no it does not :)

edit: I was rofl at earlier posts.. not so much the latest few
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The condescension is surprising because to me because this is not a complicated topic. there are some of interesting considerations to mull around on this issue but they are all marginal, hence the diversity of opinions even among those with direct experience. come on bobbynewmark, given experience and intelligence is directly proportional to posts and transactions on CGN, what critical consideration are you holding back?
 
They should just let officers choose their own side arm and stopthe 9mm .45 debate and let the officer use what he/she shoots best, and the winner of the debate won in wwii his name was 7.62x25.
 
Yo Yo Yo Four Fity be good.

But 9mm be mo betta.

My homie lil' D know a guy who got shot wit 9mm.

He be all like uhhhhhhh.
 
misanthropist said:
It's incredibly disturbing to me that you've seen so many of these. I am not sure which is more disturbing, however: the fact that your agency had so many negligent discharges, or the fact that you seem to think that this was the fault of a bunch of inanimate objects with a single switch on them that determines whether they go bang or not.

I don't know what agency you worked for but I'm under the impression it was in ON.

Consequently I'm extremely glad to be on the west coast of BC, which, without leaving the country, is probably physically as far as I can get from those people and whatever congenital defect left them incapable of operating a machine as simple as a Glock.

In all of the contact I've had with the local municipal forces, including a bunch of fairly complex and demanding training exercises, in which almost everyone was issued a Glock, I have yet to see a single negligent discharge. That's even true with sim guns, during hands-on exercises, during which consequences of an ND are low and probability is high.

I really cannot grasp what was wrong with your agency.
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Actually I was simply picking just to stir the pot but I figured you'd take it to heart, being that your congenital defect is that you only believe what you experience is reality. Son, here's a news flash for you...stop trying to substitute your reality for mine and we'll get along fine.

I've have witnessed or been present on the line near many of the ADs when the slide was released on the early models. So much so as an instructor I had everyone with a glock raise their hand and I sent them way down the line away from me to another instructor. In conversations with other instructors there was talk(them relating their story) of glocks KBing during their range sessions at least up until the the mid 2000s.

No, I have a place in the States and ON. It wasn't simply one agency. The Academy had all agencies within the State, municipal, troopers, bureau agents, etc.

So, in summary your experience is apparently different than mine at a point in time different than mine.
 
skypilot said:
Actually I was simply picking just to stir the pot but I figured you'd take it to heart, being that your congenital defect is that you only believe what you experience is reality. Son, here's a news flash for you...stop trying to substitute your reality for mine and we'll get along fine.

I've have witnessed or been present on the line near many of the ADs when the slide was released on the early models. So much so as an instructor I had everyone with a glock raise their hand and I sent them way down the line away from me to another instructor. In conversations with other instructors there was talk(them relating their story) of glocks KBing during their range sessions at least up until the the mid 2000s.

No, I have a place in the States and ON. It wasn't simply one agency. The Academy had all agencies within the State, municipal, troopers, bureau agents, etc.

So, in summary your experience is apparently different than mine at a point in time different than mine.
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I would suggest your in the minority with your experiences.
 
GunGuy34 said:
I would suggest your in the minority with your experiences.
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Having carried various different glocks, working with police agencies on two continents, for over 13 years I'd have to agree.
I've only ever heard of one true AD in either country. We were shooting from covert carry, with a 3/4 length jacket, and the draw string for the waist went in the trigger guard as he re holstered and pulled the trigger. Needless to say we all got issued new jackets the next week.

Every other nd I know of were because of poor handling. A friend after a 14 hour night shift simply had a brain fart and for some reason as part of his unload procedure fired a round into the unloading bay.

So I would be interested to know of where all these malfunctioning glocks are. Because as a machine they've been flawless in my experience. A bit plain and boring, but utterly dependable. The only reason I don't own my own personal glock is I'm bored of them. Lol.
 
crunchiespg said:
Having carried various different glocks, working with police agencies on two continents, for over 13 years I'd have to agree.
I've only ever heard of one true AD in either country. We were shooting from covert carry, with a 3/4 length jacket, and the draw string for the waist went in the trigger guard as he re holstered and pulled the trigger. Needless to say we all got issued new jackets the next week.

Every other nd I know of were because of poor handling. A friend after a 14 hour night shift simply had a brain fart and for some reason as part of his unload procedure fired a round into the unloading bay.

So I would be interested to know of where all these malfunctioning glocks are. Because as a machine they've been flawless in my experience. A bit plain and boring, but utterly dependable. The only reason I don't own my own personal glock is I'm bored of them. Lol.
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I assume glock made changes after the ADs, the ones that fired upon releasing the slide, some, as surmised were NDs and no fault of the manufacturer.

Your experience may have been different and that's fine, but after the 90s I wouldn't have one around me on the firing line. If your experiences are much better, I believe you and accept that if that is the case glock had to have made some big improvements in their design/operation.
 
The FBI, like the NYPD, just doesn't seem to have much of a demanding firearms culture or really good training outside of its SWAT units and HRT.

Investigation is their bread and butter, and it makes sense for them to issue sidearms that are easiest to use.
 
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